sorry PP but your analogy is not very accurate.

Both sides of this issue have not and will not change their stands so just go on with your life and pay attention to what you are doing and never mind what everyone else is doing.

Oh, I can guarantee that you will "get flame for say that".

Did I just hear someone say "pot calling the kettle black"?

"Me fail English??? That's unpossible!"

"And edumacation isa terible thang to waist."

GP2 - you are right. The analogy is not good. The chances that all 20 would actually catch a fish isn't likely.

How about a better analogy??

What allows for a longer season and more recreation?

Maximize recreation while minimizing impacts.

EXACTLY

Grandapa, ( the conclusion to this research is that if we stop the catch and keep fishers from fishing and let the C&R guys unlimited access ) something just doesnt look quite right here

>>if we stop the catch and keep fishers from fishing >>

You can fish all you want, just release the nates and bonk the brats. In fact you'll be able to fish more.

Racial slurs???
Hope this doesn't show your true character GP2

Hey PP man lets say this...

as an individual you are allowed to C&R 20 fish in any given day that equals one dead fish per person. PERIOD!

I as an individual am allowed one dead fish per day to eat it is still one dead fish PERIOD!

Remember the 20 C&R folks are not going to settle for just one fish they have to catch their 20 for the day.. And by the way I am not talking Nates I am talking either types you catch and release all and I catch and keep one rather it Nat or Hat... I will enjoy my dinner while you massage your soar arms...

The anti-CnR people like to talk about how we can either release 20 wild fish in a day, or keep one and have the same impacts. If it was common to catch 20 in a day we wouldn't need the statewide wild steelhead release. When is the last time anyone here caught 20 wild steelhead in one day in Washington?

If you can hook 20 wild steelhead a day you are a better fisherman than I (which may be the case either way

But... >>as an individual you are allowed to C&R 20 fish in any given day that equals one dead fish per person. PERIOD! I as an individual am allowed one dead fish per day to eat it is still one dead fish PERIOD!

5% would be the accurate figure based on barbless C&R studies.

So if you catch and kill the only fish you hook (I would say one or two fish would be a realistic number statewide of steelhead fishing success- maybe that number is high).

If 100 catch and keep fishers are on the water, with a limit of one, and success in hooking one, we have 100 less steelhead available to hook again, or to spawn. If 100 C&R fishermen are on the water 5 (or 5%) are killed incidentally, which leaves 95 steelhead in the system to fish for and spawn.

Without adding tribe and commercial catch (another battle) how do you suggest that C&R is killing as many fish as catch and keep?

Cupo -
a fairer comparison would be how many anglers catch and release 100 wild fish a year to the number catch and keep 5 per year - would not be surprised that they are not much different.

JJ -
CnR only produces more recreation with less impacts if anglers are willing to fish in a CnR fishery. In the last 2 weeks ling cod adn halibut seasons opened in Puget Sound; if what you really beleive is true (CnR produces more fishing) then maybe we should be lobbying for CnR ling cod and halibut seasons -

Let's you and I begin a push for ling and halibut CnR year round - much longer seasons thus more fishing for two more great game fish. Or do you suppose that a few folks would have issues?

Jerry?

Tight lines
S malma

Anuty -
don't disagree - that what the slot limit on lings is all about - having to release those fish over 40 inches.

The size limits on sturgeon and lings as well as the minimum size lmits on various trout (sea-runs and bull trout) are all examples of regulations based on the biological needs of the specific resource. With in those parameters see nothing wrong with limited harvest - sturgeon, lings, halibut all are pretty good chewing.

It was merely suggested that if we when to strict CnR there would be more fsihing opportunity. Of course I don't necessarily agree with that blanket statement - depends on the situation. In some cases CnR produces lots of recreation in others it does not - it depends in angler interest - somehow yoyoing 3# of lead up and down in 300 feet of water for halibut isn't most peoples idea of CnR fun.

Tight lines
S malma

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nailknot:
if we stop the catch and keep fishers from fishing

You can fish all you want, just release the nates and bonk the brats. In fact you'll be able to fish more.

Nailknot your post looks to me like you assume I bonk natives .I was simply pointing out something in GP's post that didn't seem right to me not arguing for or against WSR if this was not your intention than I apologize, if it was than I also could make an assumption by looking at the picture in your profile but I wont bother just as you shouldn't of