#251162 - 08/05/04 06:26 PM
PSA Stance on the moratorium (sorry if repeat
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 01/14/03
Posts: 203
Loc: redmond, WA
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Here is a lete that PSA sent supporting the overturning of the moratorium. I guess all of us that are against a catch and kill fishery are elitist now.
JJ
PUGET SOUND ANGLERS STATE BOARD
To whom it may concern,
The organization of Puget Sound Anglers, currently representing 14 chapters throughout Western Washington, has held a position opposing ‘statewide non-retention of wild Steelhead’ for several years.
This type of regulation ties the hands of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, in effect not allowing the Department to manage the resource based on science and maximum benefit for the people of the state of Washington. Many rivers, having been under this type of regulation for a number of years, have shown little or no sign of recovery, calling into question the claim that this blanket regulation would help the recovery of wild Steelhead. Tribal harvesters may take advantage of ‘Forgone Opportunity,’ effectively neutralizing any possible saving of wild Steelhead. To deny citizens the opportunity to harvest a wild Steelhead, when harvestable numbers exist, is to cater to a minority, elitist view, not representative of the average sportfisher in Washington. What are our efforts to recover this wonderful icon of Northwest culture for, if not to allow us our traditional heritage of harvest. Are we to treat our natural environment as a museum (look but don’t touch), or should we be able to interact and enjoy what nature provides? It is our belief that science based management should prevail, not emotional idealism.
Clint Muns State Board President Puget Sound Anglers
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#251163 - 08/05/04 06:38 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 296
Loc: Edmonds
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Frankly, as a PSA member, this is disappointing to see.
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#251165 - 08/05/04 07:08 PM
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The Chosen One
Registered: 02/09/00
Posts: 13941
Loc: Tuleville
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Mental Note: Parker won't be joining, or donating to the PSA.
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#251166 - 08/05/04 07:22 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 06/15/04
Posts: 372
Loc: Tacoma
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Yeah, what the hell. Any PSA members know about this letter? I thought PSA were out to protect the fish? Isn't that what the dues and donations fund?
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#251167 - 08/05/04 07:28 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 1585
Loc: Gig Harbor, WA , USA
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Yes, Ybnormal sent me this letter a while ago. I too was disapointed in the letter, here is my response. I am sure to bring this up at our next meeting, as not many of the guys know that is the state boards stance.
"Thanks Ron (Ybmormal), this is sure to be a topic of discussion at our nest PSA meeting. It is just like politics and the upcoming elections, everyone has their own opinion and agenda. Remember one of our mottos....I think it goes kind of like this, "Put fish first". I just think this is a step in the right direction, and of course if there are enough fish to be harvested state-wide, go for it. I am sure that just making all the rivers C/R will not bring the runs back, just look at the nisqually, but then again catch and bonk will definitely not help anything either. What we need are solutions, and that is what I personally am searching for. The moratorium sounds like the way to do it, short of stopping fishing altogether. That would be opening another can of worms for discussion. Closure, if necessary is something I would like to see for everyone, including the Native Americans. Steve
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#251168 - 08/05/04 07:32 PM
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Smolt
Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 99
Loc: Everett, WA
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It's hard to believe the majority of their membership agrees with that stance. Release a wild fish.....it feels so good!
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#251169 - 08/05/04 07:39 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 04/01/00
Posts: 511
Loc: Skagit Valley
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" This type of regulation ties the hands of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, in effect not allowing the Department to manage the resource based on science and maximum benefit for the people of the state of Washington. Many rivers, having been under this type of regulation for a number of years, have shown little or no sign of recovery, calling into question the claim that this blanket regulation would help the recovery of wild Steelhead. Tribal harvesters may take advantage of ‘Forgone Opportunity,’ effectively neutralizing any possible saving of wild Steelhead. To deny citizens the opportunity to harvest a wild Steelhead, when harvestable numbers exist, is to cater to a minority, elitist view, not representative of the average sportfisher in Washington. What are our efforts to recover this wonderful icon of Northwest culture for, if not to allow us our traditional heritage of harvest. Are we to treat our natural environment as a museum (look but don’t touch), or should we be able to interact and enjoy what nature provides? It is our belief that science based management should prevail, not emotional idealism." How could anyone find reason to disagree with such a well thought out position? I support them absolutely. Keep up the good work PSA!
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#251170 - 08/05/04 07:43 PM
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
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Below is a portion n of a letter I am sending to PSA tonight:
As a recent PSA member I am deeply disappointed in both the content and tone of this letter.
It most assuredly does NOT represent my position.
I think that PSA should have remained quite on an issue that is this deeply divisive and where such a large minority of members disagree. If the board felt a letter had to be written they should have avoided the preaching tone and they should have honestly stated that a very large minority of the members do support the moratorium.
There is clear and compelling evidence, based on WDFW data, that wild steelhead are in steep decline throughout almost every part of our state, including three of the four major river systems in the area under discussion.
As of now I consider PSA to be on probation. Any further efforts to encourage killing wild steelhead will prompt my immediate resignation.
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#251171 - 08/05/04 07:47 PM
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The Original Boat Ho
Registered: 02/08/00
Posts: 2917
Loc: Bellevue
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I had considered joining this organization. Truly incredible. It amazes me to see a group like this close there eyes to the obvious declines. When will they pull there heads out? When the emergency closures start? Never? I'm an elitist now. Wait til my beer swilling buddies here that!
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#251172 - 08/05/04 07:51 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 04/01/00
Posts: 511
Loc: Skagit Valley
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Here is omething to consider:
In the Green/Duwamish river system in the Puget Sound region the hatchery production of summer steelhead has introduced a small wild population where no native summer stock had existed and the juveniles of that introduced stock compete for the food and habitat resources with the native winter steelhead. It would be in the best interest of the native stocks to allow harvest of these non-native wild fish as a means of reducing that competition. The moratorium prevents that from happening.
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#251173 - 08/05/04 07:55 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 09/01/01
Posts: 354
Loc: Shoreline, Wa.
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SHOWING THEIR TRUE COLORS. NO SURPRISE TO ME.
Cigar :rolleyes:
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#251174 - 08/05/04 08:00 PM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/04/01
Posts: 3563
Loc: Gold Bar
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In the Green/Duwamish river system in the Puget Sound region the hatchery production of summer steelhead has introduced a small wild population where no native summer stock had existed and the juveniles of that introduced stock compete for the food and habitat resources with the native winter steelhead. It would be in the best interest of the native stocks to allow harvest of these non-native wild fish as a means of reducing that competition. The moratorium prevents that from happening. Plunker, are these wild fish introduced into the system just hatchery fish that spawned in the river rather then returning to the hatchery. If so how would you tell the difference between them and the true nates? Oh and PSA bites!!!
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#251175 - 08/05/04 08:27 PM
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
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Originally posted by JJ: It is our belief that science based management should prevail, not emotional idealism. The science is clear. Wild steelhead are in significant decline. Even in river where our "scientists" have reduced escapement goals, we are still not reaching those goals. The Wild Steelhead Coalition has complied very compelling evidence based upon WDFW’s data that shoe three of the four rivers in the area affected by the moratorium are not reaching even the reduced escapement goals. I fail to understand how any sportfishing organization can call for increased kill on rivers that are not meeting escapment! It is not elitist to advocate reducing the kill on stocks that are not reaching escapement. The department should have done this years ago but lacked the guts to take the heat.
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#251176 - 08/05/04 08:48 PM
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 1362
Loc: DEADWOOD
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“We are the Puget Sound Anglers. We are dedicated to preserving quality fisheries. We believe in the de-commercialization of Steelhead. We believe that our salmon resources can be restored with sound biological management. We believe in the comradeship and wishes of fellow sport fishing anglers. We believe our grandchildren can have a higher quality fishery than any of us ever had .”
HMMMMM!
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#251177 - 08/05/04 08:54 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 06/15/04
Posts: 372
Loc: Tacoma
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It sounds like it might be an election year for PSA too. Can you say Impeach.
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#251179 - 08/05/04 09:41 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 11/12/02
Posts: 270
Loc: Bothell
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Glad I did not join PSA this year. They do not represent my views, obviously!
Wonder why Grandpa has not replied yet?
SA
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#251180 - 08/05/04 10:16 PM
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 1362
Loc: DEADWOOD
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Thanks, Bob
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#251181 - 08/05/04 10:28 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 478
Loc: Between 2 Mountains
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I think the letter is just the way I feel. "when harvestable numbers exist"and this "It is our belief that science based management should prevail, not emotional idealism."
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#251182 - 08/05/04 10:35 PM
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Smolt
Registered: 05/16/04
Posts: 85
Loc: Cape George
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Irregardless, I think I'll stick with the emotional idealism. It kinda makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Shame on me if my lack of education cannot rationally comprehend this modern scientific fishery management.
Release all wild steelhead!
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#251183 - 08/05/04 10:39 PM
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
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Originally posted by YBNORML: I think the letter is just the way I feel. "when harvestable numbers exist"and this "It is our belief that science based management should prevail, not emotional idealism." I beleive that there can be no harvestable numbers when three of the four rivers are NOT meeting escapment goals. That is pretty clear science to me. The Wild Steelhead Coalition has a white paper in final draft stages that proove these rivers are in serious decline. The data is based on the best science available WDFW data.
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#251184 - 08/05/04 10:42 PM
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Carcass
Registered: 10/31/02
Posts: 2449
Loc: Portland
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"harvestable numbers"
One is a harvestable number.
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#251185 - 08/05/04 10:51 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 478
Loc: Between 2 Mountains
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This is just my opinion close all of those rivers in Feb and March and put some pressure on the netters and then see what happends.
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#251189 - 08/06/04 01:44 AM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 1585
Loc: Gig Harbor, WA , USA
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Remember Guys, some of us are PSA members and we too do not see eye to eye on this subject. BUT. that being said, I am not going to throw the towel in on an organization of Sports fishers, because of one event. I am going to deliver this message to my chapter this next meeting, which is next Tuesday. We as a group of fishers, always get in trouble, with all the bickering between us and no unity to fight with. We do have to stick together as groups of fishers to get anything done, which is not really possible as an individual yelling at the top of his lungs. Give PSA a chance, at least we try to do positive things and have made some strides getting noticed.
Steve Ng
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#251190 - 08/06/04 02:41 AM
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Carcass
Registered: 10/31/02
Posts: 2449
Loc: Portland
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The leadership of any organization that is willing to alienate such a significant portion of its membership has to be called severely into question. Especially on such a hot button issue.
I'm sensing the significance of the organization starting to wane...oh, about the time that letter was signed.
Good luck getting new members!! I wouldn't worry about it if it was 'Clallam County Anglers'........
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#251193 - 08/06/04 05:07 AM
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 08/04/99
Posts: 1431
Loc: Olympia, WA
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"This type of regulation ties the hands of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, in effect not allowing the Department to manage the resource based on science, blah, blah, blah."
Wasn't considered to be a problem, when PSA was proposing and promoting I-696, the net ban initiative.
"Tribal harvesters may take advantage of "Forgone Opportunity'."
This protest often came up while gathering signatures for the net ban initiative. I was "trained" by none other than PSA leaders to respond with statements such as, "Not necessarily." "Can you imagine how bad they're going to look if they do that!" "We think we can work with the tribes."
What happened to the optimism that was so prevalent during PSA efforts to get a net ban passed?
"To deny citizens the opportunity to harvest a wild Steelhead, when harvestable numbers exist, is to cater to a minority, elitist view..."
But not so when PSA wanted to deny commercial fishers the opportunity to net salmon determined to be surplus by WDFW. Of course the commercials decried the effort as a fish grab by a minority of affluent recreationists (elitists).
"Are we to treat our natural environment as a museum (look but don't touch), or should we be able to interact and enjoy what nature provides?"
To suggest that wild steelhead release relates in anyway to the statement above requires more imagination than I possess. If the moratorium allowed you to merely drive to the river, peer into the deeper holes, and look for wild steelhead, you might have a point. Fishing for, hooking up, and bringing a wild steelhead close enough to release is about as interactive and enjoyable, as it gets.
"It is our belief that science based management should prevail, not emotional idealism." Back to the beginning...
I've attended a number of PSA meetings, and have even considered joining a chapter. That plan has been put on hold. I can't believe a PSA leader would put his name on a letter this lame! This letter should be framed and hung in the Hall of Shame along side the Trout Unlimited letter that urged rank and file members to oppose the net ban.
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#251194 - 08/06/04 08:11 AM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 08/18/02
Posts: 1714
Loc: brier,wa
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bringing a wild steelhead close enough to release is about as interactive and enjoyable, as it gets. Well well....Let's hear the argument why you should not be stopped from targetting these fish if they are in such dire straits. Why should you WSR advocates be allowed to fish for wild steelhead if there is such an emergency and escapement goals are not being met? Is it because you will only kill 10-20% of the fish you catch and release? Before you say CnR will help revive the waning steelhead runs better ask Dave Vedder to remind us of the collapse of some of the rivers on Vancouver Island that have practiced CnR for years and have good habitat. Bottom line is that I don't think anyone has the answer. Stopping tribal gill netting and sale of wild steelhead would be a much more noble goal. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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#251195 - 08/06/04 10:00 AM
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Carcass
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 2379
Loc: Valencia, Negros Oriental, Phi...
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A cut and paste on this subject from Gamefishin. Sorry, I'm lazy today.
You know the tough part of using the best available science as the governing point for policy is that I can come up with credible scientific justification for the extremes of this debate and virtually any point in between. Whose science is better? I am no scientist, but I will apply the common sense that God gave me and reach a decision from there.
I would not attack Clint or the PSA. I have seen Clint in action before the Commission and know that his heart and his head are on the side of the sports fisherman. Grandpa is an old friend, and there is no question that he cares more deeply and works harder for us than virtually anyone I know. However, even they can be wrong, and they are this time - IMHO. Does that mean I think the PSA is full of crap? Not at all - it just means I disagree with them on this point. And rather than try and tear down each and every position they hold, I will agree with and cooperate with when I believe they are on the right track, and do the opposite when they are on the wrong track. It's really pretty simple - there is no perfection here on Earth and the mature person remembers the Serenity prayer at each and every turn.
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#251196 - 08/06/04 10:12 AM
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
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[/QUOTE] Stopping tribal gill netting and sale of wild steelhead would be a much more noble goal. [/QB][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
GP: That is 100% right. Much of the problem on O.P. rivers is too much Indian harvest. But the collapse of B.C. streams was definitely NOT related to tribal harvest. The truth is our wild steelhead are assaulted from all sides. I agree with many who say that if the runs are in trouble stop C&R. I believe that some rivers are in such bad shape that a total closure is the answer. But the WDFW data indicated that at least one of the four rivers is typically meeting escapement goals and the other only recently dipped beneath escapement goals. (I may be a bit off on that statement, as I do not the data in front of me.)
If a river is in decent shape, I think a C&R fishery is a good idea. If a river is in serious trouble I believe we do need a complete closure and that included Indians.
But the C&R issue is one that we can do rapidly. Controlling WDFW goofy escapement goals, (Which I believe are set to make the commercials happy, and controlling Indian netting are much more difficult goals. We should not abandon one effective tool just because other remedies are difficult. I sincerely hope RFA tackles some of the more difficult issues of escapement goals and Indian netting.
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#251197 - 08/06/04 10:58 AM
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Spawner
Registered: 10/15/03
Posts: 704
Loc: Olympia
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IMHO, it seems like the logical thing to do for wild fish is to enact a moratorium for complete closure on the rivers that only have wild fish in them, AKA- no hatcheries.
That would only work if netting was banned or very strictly controlled on those rivers. How realistic is that? not very, it sounds like. I have a feeling that is not supported by any facts that I have on hand, is that sportfishing is probably not at the top of the list when it comes to overall impact on the runs.
Ocean conditions, off-shore fisheries, and tribal netting are much worse. I think it might be a bit naive of sport fishers to try and lead an example by releasing all wild steelhead when the netting is indiscriminate.
What about a ban on retaining fish over a certain size that all would have to adhere to? Kind of like sturgeon. Would that work a little better?
Dave V. , it seems that I read that the Vancouver Is. recovery program benefited the most from the banning of netting on those rivers, correct me if I'm wrong.
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#251198 - 08/06/04 11:26 AM
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
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GF: Sadly I see no evidence of any Vancouver Island wild steelhead recovery. Perhaps you are thinking of salmon? The entire East side of Vancouver Island has been a steelhead disaster fro about five years, and now the West side seems to be going down too. My favorite river, the Gold tanked this year. Snorkel surveys that used to count more than 1,000 fish counted less that 40. Truth is I don't think anyone knows fore sure why, but they have almost zero in-river netting of steelhead.
I do NOT think C&R is the only answer, or even the best answer. But I do think a dead steelhead will never spawn.
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#251199 - 08/06/04 12:32 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 09/11/03
Posts: 1459
Loc: Third stone from the sun
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Dave knows alot more about most of the rivers and their returns and lack there of than I do---But one river I know and have observed alot over the years is the Sky--IMHO, I believe that the low numbers of hatchery returning steelhead we've been seeing is in large part a direct result of the change of hands and handling of the hatchery itself at Reiter. It makes a big difference if the person running the hatchery actually cares about the run(s) as much as they care about collecting a paycheck. As for the large hatchery and wild returning spawners---I'd like to see a program similar to the one I remember reading about that was and hopefully still is used on an Oregon river where sportsmen take large live returning spawners (hatchery and wild) to staging toobs located along the river that are regularly checked and picked up by hatchery managers to use as brood stock. If I catch a SH in excess of 15lbs, or more--It doesn't matter to me of it's wild or hatchery--I want it to go make alot of babies that will hopefully grow up and eventually be 15lbs. or more. BTW--Grandpa is right about the fisherman that C&R the same wild fish over and over--it's basically the same as hitting it in the head with a rock. PS--Everyone should take a few deep breaths, count to ten and read Eddie's post before doing anything irrational.
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#251200 - 08/06/04 12:52 PM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 02/08/00
Posts: 3233
Loc: IDAHO
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Its fine to understand that nets are the core issue. However, as sports fisherman, your like a 1 legged man in an ass kicking contest. WSR is like keeping the one leg you have and figuring out a way to use it... which is better than the " nothing"... you have been doing for the last forever.
WSR has worked here in Idaho. Our fish still run the same nets that have been in the Columbia and have increased 3 x ( wild fish ) We don't have nets in our rivers... ever... That all happens down stream so the numbers and increase of wild fish have all been driven by lack of sport harvest. In addition, there has been no loss in revenue to small towns that depend on sports fishing.. in fact, fishing has generated more dollars as the fishing has been better than it used to be. Hatchery fish numbers have remained somewhat level. Wild fish numbers increasing... this is in spite of several drought years.
Its perplexing that some of the main rivers your beefing about only get a total of maybe 1000 fish... and you want to eat them. I understand that the tribes net them... which is even more absured. If you want to fight the major screwing you are getting from the treaties you need to be willing to step up and be first.
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#251202 - 08/06/04 02:29 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 09/08/02
Posts: 812
Loc: des moines
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Just want to say thanks to Clint and the PSA for that letter Im sure it represents the feelings of the vast majority of true sportfisherman in the state. PSA's position on this has garrenteed my continued support of there group.
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#251203 - 08/06/04 02:49 PM
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 01/14/03
Posts: 203
Loc: redmond, WA
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Now we aren't only elitist but we aren't true sportsman. Excellent. Good to know.
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#251204 - 08/06/04 03:05 PM
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Parr
Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 55
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Waaaahoooo Way to go PSA.. You just gained a new member and family memebers.. Grandpa, Excellent post I could not agree more...
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#251205 - 08/06/04 04:00 PM
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 03/30/02
Posts: 1395
Loc: Lake Stevens
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I have heard rumors that the Sky has improved after only a few years of total C&R for Nates. The rumor is that there was a good enough return this spring to look at bringing back the C&R seaon for March/April in a few years. Can anyone confirm this?
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#251206 - 08/06/04 05:42 PM
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The Chosen One
Registered: 02/09/00
Posts: 13941
Loc: Tuleville
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Originally posted by grandpa: These same htt folks think nothing of holding up a wild native steelhead out of the water for a photo and skoff at the notion that they, too, are impacting the runs they proclaim to be so fragile as to need emergency moratoriums. I think it's safe to say that these "htt folks" probably just follow the rules and regulations set and defined by the WDFW. Don't like the rules and/or regulations? - work to get them changed. For example, one of our very own "htt folks" stuck a knife in his own back and got Sparkey's Law passed. I might not agree with this "htt" law, but I obey it. I, for one, will continue to follow the rules and regulations set forth by the WDFW. At the same time, I will fish where it is legal to do so, and I will continue to release all wild steelhead, irregardless of a statewide wild steelhead moritorium or not. •Do I care for wild steelhead? You bet! •Do I still fish for wild steelhead? You bet! •I will stop fishing for wild steelhead when the WDFW tells me so. •Am I hypocrite? You bet! I will kill a wild salmon, when legal to do so. •I am a fisherman and am working to protect my fishing opportunities. •Am I working to protect the fish? No, not really. •Am I going to blame the tribes? Nope. Not when "the white man" has done more harm to wild steelhead than the indians could ever wish to do. Don't like my views? Tough shiat. If this catagorizes me as "htt", tough shait again. PSA is taking a stand against my fishing opportunities. For that, I will not join the PSA, nor will I ever donate to the PSA. That's all I posted and that's all I said. Don't believe me? Go back and re-read my post for yourself. PS. I am a reverend. I think that makes me pretty holly, by the way..
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#251207 - 08/06/04 06:51 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 478
Loc: Between 2 Mountains
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Parker,How is PSA taking anything from your fishing opportunities?THERE NOT!!!From your site it looks like you have no problem catching steelhead. From the poll I did it's about 50/50 between the different sites gofigure :rolleyes:
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#251208 - 08/06/04 07:36 PM
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 01/14/03
Posts: 203
Loc: redmond, WA
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YB,
Same question at you. How is enacting WSR limiting your fishing? It isn't just limiting impact while still allowing angling.
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#251209 - 08/07/04 12:19 AM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 478
Loc: Between 2 Mountains
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JJ, none I release all wild steelhead.I also don't target or fish for them.
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#251210 - 08/07/04 01:22 AM
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Spawner
Registered: 10/15/03
Posts: 704
Loc: Olympia
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Just for the record, if anyone cares, I am law abiding and am still trying to sort out my point of view on the topic. I always follow the law, whatever it might be. If anyone could ever agree on the science, I will support that data. I will admit that I have killed wild steelhead on the OP in my younger days. Of course, I had to hike several miles to get there so I felt justified. I wouldn''t do that now unless I was starving or the run was really strong. (AKA- no nets) Until then, I see merit from both arguments. At this point in my life, I find the truth usually lies between the polarized viewpoints on most topics. I usually fish the strong hatchery runs anyway where I can bonk away like a baby harp seal hunter. By the way, it felt REALLY GOOD to bonk that big King at Westport the other day after "saving" so many "wild" fish at Seiku....he he
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