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#258156 - 10/18/04 01:12 PM Re: Duramax Diesel
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TheKing - In the long run you may end up paying the depreciation of three vehicles compared to my one.

I am not attempting to start an argument just a good debate. I always say, "each to their own" and "different strokes for different folks." ;\)

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#258157 - 10/18/04 01:20 PM Re: Duramax Diesel
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Lunch time. Yes it works better for me with the IRS to own 3. I agree if you plan to keep it fo 200k go with the diesel.
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#258158 - 10/18/04 01:39 PM Re: Duramax Diesel
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Grandpa,

I haven't heard a bad word about the Duramax- other than the price. I went with the F-350 6L Powerstroke and love it... Didn't go with the fully loaded package because I live off my land. That spells mud! However, I trailer 5 1/2 tons of hay from Napavine once a month. There's a lot of power and torque in this baby! Love the sound of that turbo!

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#258159 - 10/18/04 04:55 PM Re: Duramax Diesel
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Duramax are a good motor. My guys at the Chevy dealership tell me that after the 100K mile warranty on the engine expires you will want to get rid of the truck because the Duramax will be extremely expensive when it comes to doing repairs.
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#258160 - 10/18/04 06:41 PM Re: Duramax Diesel
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The more I analyze this the more I lean towards keeping the Suburban which is more than capable of towing my big boat. I have had one problem in 120K miles and that was the fuel pump failure I had on the way to LaPush this summer....Other than that I am about ready for the first tune up and just got a new set of tires after 60K miles...Maybe get one of the other cars back from the kids to drive every day....NOT....
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#258161 - 10/18/04 08:59 PM Re: Duramax Diesel
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Lunchtime wrote:

"I make just under 24 MPG w/ no load, w/boat 18, w/ boat and camper 15.5 (all highway). "

Is this true or just wishful thinking? If I could really get 22-24 mpg highway with a fullsize diesel pickup, I just may go that route. I've never heard anyone report this kind of "real" mileage. Anyone else? I've heard 15-18, but never a true 20+ mpg.

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#258162 - 10/18/04 09:23 PM Re: Duramax Diesel
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someone I trust put a computer chip in his Dodge 1 ton diesel and can get up to 20mpg on the highway...norml mpg is 16 -18....towing it drops somewhat

From a strictly pennywise standpoint I keep the Suburban and get it detailed like new, add the DVD and satellite radio....save about $30k and pay at the pump for a couple more years

Stay away from car lots!!!
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#258163 - 10/18/04 09:43 PM Re: Duramax Diesel
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...and if you run a "super" synthetic oil add another 1 or 2 MPG
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#258164 - 10/19/04 12:30 AM Re: Duramax Diesel
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If you put a camper shell on a Dodge, you can get an honest 20 unloaded. No Ford or Chevy can do that... 16-18 tops... the 24 MPG story is just that. Funny, this tread has brought out a lot of storys.... Like the 50,000 dollar truck. I could make an awsume living just selling you guys trucks... Buy low/ sell high or somehing like that.
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#258165 - 10/19/04 12:40 AM Re: Duramax Diesel
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Quote:
Originally posted by B-RUN STEELY:
If you put a camper shell on a Dodge, you can get an honest 20 unloaded. No Ford or Chevy can do that... 16-18 tops...
My chipped F350 crew 4x4 could get between 19-21 on the highway if I kept my foot out of it. I think with a couple additional changes I could squeezed a little more. I got 16 around town fairly easily just by not stomping on it.

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#258166 - 10/19/04 12:47 AM Re: Duramax Diesel
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If you chip a truck you have just voided your warrenty..... Same if you turn up the boost.

No arguments on that... its a fact. Also, did you pay 50,000 dollars for your F-350 ??? Nice truck by the way.
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#258167 - 10/19/04 11:06 AM Re: Duramax Diesel
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$50K is a lot of money for a truck! I guess if you can afford it- go for it!

I got nearly all the bells and whistles... sticker price was $39,900. With trade-in I was a hair under $30K.

I have to consider myself lucky with some of the gas mileage figures I am seeing... My trips to Cathlamet this past season had me averaging 20.4 MPG (w/boat)(a light 16'r) from outside the Gig Harbor area.. With a full load of hay (5 1/2 tons), I get 18.1 MPG.

I don't have any "real" distance driving unloaded, so i couldn't give you MPG... I would guess somewhere in the neighborhood of 22-something. My 6L has been great on saving a few bucks...

Is 24 MPG unrealistic? Nah... I think it is very possible... I have heard some folks reaching 26-27 MPG with the power/gear box tweeked out to perfection.
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#258168 - 10/19/04 11:35 AM Re: Duramax Diesel
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Take your tailgate off for a few more MPG.
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#258169 - 10/19/04 12:44 PM Re: Duramax Diesel
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B-Run, you are certainly correct about the chip/warranty issue. I used the tuner so I could re-tune it when ever I needed to swing by the dealer for anything (which was only one time I can remember). that, currently, is not traceable in the truck's computer. I paid about 35k for the truck and drove it for a couple years and sold it for 32,500. Considering the tax benefits of writing off mileage, I came out just fine. Haven't heard of the 50k trucks, but when the duramax first came out, dealers might have been asking a huge premium for the first few. I also put a canopy on it which instantly upped the mileage by 1-2 per gallon. Added a k&N filter which helped a bit to. I ran the Delo oil, I think if I had gone to the Mobile 1, it probably would've added more mpg's. I think 24 is doable with a few mods.

Also, the Powerstrokes aren't broken in until they hit about 25,000 miles. Up until then, you haven't seen your best mileage yet.

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#258170 - 10/19/04 08:49 PM Re: Duramax Diesel
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Thanks to all for the great comments. I called Dave Smith in Idaho and talked to a salesman today. He quoted me on a 2005 Duramax/Allison 2500 SLT Crew Cab with all the accessories except the drop down DVD which the used one I looked had. The DVD option from the factory is $1200 and DS offered a better aftermarket version at $1500. The price included a $1500 discount from GMAC if you finance with them at a higher than market rate but you only have to keep the financing in force for three months then you cqan refinance with your bank. The deal also included a $1000 "hold back" discount which he explained is a hidden discount off sticker that the dealers get..this truck has a $1200 hold back. There was also another discount of $500 for whatever...The bottom line was $39,685.00 plus tax and license. That would be a much better deal than buying a 2003 for $36K less a generous trade in.

So at the end of the day I took the sensible road and decided to wait and keep the Suburban and spend a little money to detail it inside and out so it is like new. It is paid for so that is the frugile way to go.The emotional lure of a new truck is strong but I resisted it as I really don't need something new. With diesel at almost $2.50 I would still save money on fuel in the long run but it would take too many years to overcome the depreciation associated with something new or even used.
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#258171 - 10/19/04 09:49 PM Re: Duramax Diesel
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Grandpa

I've been considering the same truck, but after reading your last post, I think it's better that I hold out as well. Thanks for the words of wisdom... now off to the Koenings meeting in Aberdeen. Report to follow on the other thread.
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#258172 - 10/20/04 08:43 AM Re: Duramax Diesel
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I hate it when I make rational decisions....Those impulse spending sprees are so fun.
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#258173 - 10/20/04 10:40 AM Re: Duramax Diesel
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So don't let it stop there Gramps....
Several years ago, faced with a similar temptation I decided to keep my '91 F250SC 4x4 460ci gas hog. Still only has 97k and hauls the camper/pulls the boat just fine. Went shopping for a commuter car and ended up with a used '95 BMW325i (4dr, 5sp) which now has more miles than the truck. I love it. What second car would tempt you? Happy dreaming.

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#258174 - 10/21/04 01:40 AM Re: Duramax Diesel
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I already have a couple of other vehicles and don't know what I would get for a commuter>
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#258175 - 10/21/04 01:07 PM Re: Duramax Diesel
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I commute in a '97 Honda Accord. Good gas mileage and pretty much bulletproof.

My big 4X4 truck only sees duty on weekends.
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