#260032 - 11/03/04 10:38 AM
Bush Rocks
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He is a fine man that president! He even loves to fish. Need to invite him for a float trip on the river of his choice! Too bad you little loser liberals! hehehehe
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#260033 - 11/03/04 10:42 AM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 12/06/00
Posts: 488
Loc: oregon
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Hey Sky, the timber industry, large corporations and those making more than a million dollars a year totally agree with you!! The salmon and steelhead and middle income taxpayer on the other hand took a huge hit yesterday.
RM
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#260034 - 11/03/04 10:51 AM
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Registered: 10/13/03
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Bush is the worst thing that could've happened to sporting in our state, and every other state that depends on forests and fisheries. I'm disgusted! Has anybody noticed the exponential increase in logging recently? I've seen, just in the last few months, massive clearcutting of our "national forest" lands. Don't know for sure the details, but it's happening. Don't expect the Bush administration to protect our delicate forests and fisheries, despite what he told you four years ago.
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#260035 - 11/03/04 11:00 AM
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Spawner
Registered: 07/02/03
Posts: 622
Loc: Olympia
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increase in logging recently? I've seen, just in the last few months yeap it's called a recovering economy
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#260036 - 11/03/04 11:06 AM
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 06/30/04
Posts: 1078
Loc: Silverdale, WA
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Well I'm pretty much middle income, and with Bush as president I've seen an increase of almost 15% in my annual income, and I dont work for a oil company, or logging company. So I happy with Bush.
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#260037 - 11/03/04 11:25 AM
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Spawner
Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 491
Loc: Orting
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Originally posted by sky # er: He is a fine man that president! He even loves to fish. Need to invite him for a float trip on the river of his choice! Too bad you little loser liberals! hehehehe Very mature! :rolleyes: Are you even old enough to vote?
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#260038 - 11/03/04 11:32 AM
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Parr
Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 48
Loc: Tacoma, WA
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Timber is a renewable resource. So are the fish. I find it hard to believe that we'd have gotten any more face time with the Kerry camp regarding management of our renewable resources than we will/have with Bush, or any other previous president.
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#260039 - 11/03/04 12:20 PM
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The Tide changed
Registered: 08/31/00
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Loc: Everett
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Originally posted by gvbest: Well I'm pretty much middle income, and with Bush as president I've seen an increase of almost 15% in my annual income, and I dont work for a oil company, or logging company. So I happy with Bush. Does that really help when gas and everything else gets more expensive too?
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#260040 - 11/03/04 12:22 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 12/06/00
Posts: 488
Loc: oregon
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Keep in mind that when GW took office gasoline was about a dollar a gallon, it's more than 2.00 now. For my full size chevy truck that works out to be an additional 900 dollars per year. Also consider the fact that I haven't made a dollar on my 401k in three years. Healthcare has increased at a rate 4 times average income...your not making any more money now.
Yes the forest is a renewable resource but remember our forests are owned by all of us...they are "public lands". Because of this these areas are managed for "multiple use", harvest, fishing, camping, sight-seeing, etc. GW upon taking office appointed a timber lobbyist as head of the United States Forest Service...this certainly doesn't demonstrate the publics interest for "multiple use". Oh by the way...the timber industry just happens to provide millions to GW in campaign contributions, imagine that. Fish and wildlife lost in a big way.
RM
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#260042 - 11/03/04 12:30 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 12/05/00
Posts: 553
Loc: Everett, Wa, USA
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Complaining about gas prices really doesn't work for me. How much have gas prices really gone up over the years? If gas had kept pace with inflation over the last 30-50 years nobody would even be able to afford to drive. Gas prices were going to take a jump up sooner or later... it finaly happened.
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#260043 - 11/03/04 12:35 PM
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 01/21/02
Posts: 169
Loc: lacey, Wa.
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Well my question is:
Is Patty Murray a dude ???
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#260044 - 11/03/04 12:37 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 12/05/00
Posts: 553
Loc: Everett, Wa, USA
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If ya have to ask you don't really want to know!
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#260045 - 11/03/04 12:45 PM
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The recession was on its way before Bush took office. Clinton holds more responsibility for 911 than Bush does, and the fact that Clinton creted so many low paying jobs did little to actually help the economy.
If you see how so many large companies were multiple times overvalued, the "correction" in the market was expected.
Sooner or later things must balance out...Clinton got them out-of-whack,a nd Bush is trying to get things back on track to be stable.
The REAL test of Bush's financial policies will come during this term, as the things he put into effect in the last 4 years will soon begin to show the differences they should make. If they do, great, if they don't...well...let's just hope they do help.
Most all of you folks get a paycheck every week or two, but as a Ind. Sales Rep. I don't get paid unless a purchase is made. The products I represent apply to a very narrow market in the electronics industy...and none of them are low cost. I would LOVE to see major companies start loosening the purse-strings on capital purchases...believe me, I could breath easier if they did!
As to Bush's environmental policies...I don't like them either. He stinks in that Dept., BUT, sad to say, there is more to running the most powerful office in the world than fish and trees.
Of the 2 choices, Bush was far and away the best choice. IMO all politicians are crooks, so it is a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils in any event.
My 2 cents worth...(and that is the same value as any of our opinions holds)
Mike
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#260046 - 11/03/04 12:48 PM
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Parr
Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 48
Loc: Tacoma, WA
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I agree that "management" is the key to the success of our Multi-use resources, or public assetts. I certainly don't have the knowledge to develop the appropriate course of "action" in mangement. I do support the use of those assetts for profit. Economies historically supported by the timber industry need to be sustained. How much revenue does sight seeing generate? Perhaps the brakes were not put on the declining economy quick enough.... but I'm not comfortable blaming the president for a decline in economic conditions that was bound to happen following such a robust economy the years before. That's like trying to make gold a rotten egg.
Our 401k's not performing recently is a direct result of overperformance in the previous decade.... and we weren't complaining then. How could any government sustain the growth that we had seen?
The full size truck argument is less than valid in my opinion... My Nissan pulls my driftboat just fine... Hell I could tow it with a car if I needed to, I drive a truck by choice... and pay the gas bill by choice. I would venture most of us drive our 3/4 ton Dually Trucks and Excursion SUV's by choice... not out of neccesity. Mini Vans carry as many kids as Expeditions do... Obviously, some of you are towing 5th wheels, campers, sleds, and salt boats.... but I have feeling there are a few guys out there with $600 truck payments and $900 gas bills that had a choice.
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#260047 - 11/03/04 12:53 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 03/10/01
Posts: 570
Loc: Snohomish, WA, USA
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Did you really need to start ANOTHER thread implying that the only people that voted for Kerry are bleeding heart liberals? The blatant arrogance, stupidity, and tunnel vision that gets flaunted here sometimes is beyond belief.
I know I'm not the only middle of the road Bush hater here but it always seems like the guys that are staunch Bush supporters assume that anyone that would DARE vote for a demo is either a communist or a moron.
Some of us with priorities like the environment and jobs (not to mention coming clean when he screws up) simply don't see him as much of a champion.
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#260048 - 11/03/04 01:06 PM
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Registered: 04/07/04
Posts: 393
Loc: maine
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I am just interested in seeing how much more Bush is going to F-up the country now. He did a great job in persuading the country Kerry was an idiot but truly he is the bigger idiot
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#260049 - 11/03/04 01:16 PM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/09/99
Posts: 2566
Loc: Muk
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Originally posted by Fishaddict: Well my question is:
Is Patty Murray a dude ??? Now dats funny--- --Like chill out Gingas Kahn ya aint drafting my kid cause you want wars that will never end. ____________________________ Time to go fishing
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#260050 - 11/03/04 01:21 PM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 02/08/00
Posts: 3233
Loc: IDAHO
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Funny, looking at the map Washington state was BLUE... any righties want to explain that
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#260051 - 11/03/04 01:32 PM
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Registered: 04/07/04
Posts: 393
Loc: maine
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Congrats to bush and his voters. So now when I retire and you retire there will be no Medicare and no Social Security. Cant blame bush when that happens you can only blame yourselves for voting for him.
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