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#264567 - 12/22/04 04:44 PM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
Spartan Offline
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Registered: 11/08/04
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#264569 - 12/22/04 06:33 PM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
goforchrome Offline
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Registered: 04/02/01
Posts: 493
Loc: sammamish WA
Quote:
Originally posted by wolverine:
Dino's background is in commercial real estate. It's like the song goes "pave paradise, put up a parking lot". Don't be surprised.
I think Wolverine has it nailed.
Development will encroach on more spawning streams and we will be totally hatchery-dependent.
He may take on the natives, though.
Look at what Ahnold is doing in Kallyfornia.
Just a thought.
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#264570 - 12/22/04 07:24 PM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
Dave Vedder Offline
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Registered: 10/09/02
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Loc: West Duvall
Wouldn't it be funny if they counted the 751 lost ballots, and found that they gave a majority to Rossi? I wonder if they Rs would still be crying foul?

All this has shown me is that both parties are all too eager to sue whenever thay see an advantage in it for them, and that we need a clear, uniform set of election laws in every county.
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#264571 - 12/22/04 10:17 PM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
eyeFISH Offline
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Registered: 11/24/03
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Here's the latest headline from the Seattle Times:

Gregoire ahead by 10... margin to widen after counting 700-plus more ballots
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#264572 - 12/23/04 01:54 AM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
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Well looks like the left found a way to "make up" enough votes to win...seems to me CG said when Rossi was 42 votes ahead its a tie whats that make 8 votes????? He won twice whats it take? other then the left wingers fabricating votes for them to win.

Vedder- Lets go ahead and count all the armed forces votes before you claim victory or are you gonna protest that because you already " fabricated " enough votes to win? Talk about cryin foul looks to me like the liberals did that after ROSSI won twice!!!!
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#264573 - 12/23/04 11:21 AM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
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Registered: 10/09/02
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Loc: West Duvall
QUOTE]Vedder- Lets go ahead and count all the armed forces votes before you claim victory or are you gonna protest that because you already " fabricated " enough votes to win? Talk about cryin foul looks to me like the liberals did that after ROSSI won twice!!!! [/QB][/QUOTE]

I agree, lets count all the votes. I think that’s how democracy should work.

If you, or anyone, can show any evidence of anyone fabricating any votes there should be prosecutions and convictions. This should be an easy job, as the names of t all the 751 are posted on the Internet. It should be easy to contact those folks and see if they exist, voted, voted by absentee, etc.

No one has won or lost until the secretary of state certifies an election. The first recount was ordered by the REPUBLICAN secretary of state as required by law. The second was requested and paid for by the democrats. Do you have any doubt that the Rossi camp would have asked for a recount had the total been reversed?

BTW Sam Reed the Sec. of State and a REPUBLICAN has said from the beginning that the misplaced voted must be counted. He has conducted himself admirably during this.

Remember the Rossi counties also added new votes during the recount. Can you honestly say that if you ballot was in a file that got overlooked you would not want it counted?


P.S. I never claimed Chris had won. I'm still waiting for all the votes to be counted. Frankly, I do not see much difference between Rossi and Gregoire. I was on the fence on this one until I heard she knows how to fish with a knuckle buster reel.

I have tried very hard to ask myself how I would feel if I were a Rossi supporter. I think I would feel bitter and angey and I would be looking hard for any signs of fraud. That’s understandable. We need to dramatically improve our election system – that’s for sure.
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#264574 - 12/23/04 11:46 AM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
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Registered: 06/24/01
Posts: 684
Loc: Toledo Wa
If C.G. pulls ends up winning this.It doesntcost the Ds a dime.Us citizens get the honor of payimg for it.

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#264575 - 12/24/04 02:30 AM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
nitefishin Offline
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Registered: 06/25/02
Posts: 103
Loc: felony way
Do you really expect c.g. to count the military votes?
C.G. did pay the troops some respect with a moment of silence during her news conference.

WILL SHE BE SILENT WHEN IT COMES TO COUNTING THE TROOPS VOTE?

P.S. THANKS DAVE FOR THE FLOAT FISHING SEMINAR YOU GAVE AT SPORTCO, IT'S BEING VERY PRODUCTIVE WITH THE STEELIES THE LAST WEEK.

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#264576 - 12/24/04 11:47 AM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
Dave Vedder Offline
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Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
NiteFishing;

Thanks for the kind words. I met a guy on the river yesterday who told me a similar thing. I LOVE to hear that.

As foe the election, I think ALL legal votes should be counted and shame on anyone who tries to stop it. I also think that this is now much bigger than Chris and Dino. I believe state and national party bosses are handling this, and I think both sides will always do whatever it takes to win.


I am certain that Rossi would have done exactly the same as Chris did had the circumstances been reversed. Chris did say she would accept whatever the recount said, but she may have known she was going to win it- who knows.) Trying to find the most virtue in a political race is about like, ah well, comparing virtue amongst whores.

At this point I believe Rossi should give up, even though he very likely feels he was cheated. That was what Gore did under very similar circumstances. If this drags on we get a few more weeks or months of a lame duck Locke. No one wants that.
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#264577 - 12/24/04 04:53 PM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
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Registered: 07/11/04
Posts: 3091
Loc: Bothell, Wa
I agree with Dave,
At this point nothing good can happen by dragging this thing out. Just as I thought CG should have conceded after the state mandated recount I now believe Dino should concede. There is no way at this point in time Dino can win without a ton of controversy and lawyer shenanigan. I don't give a damn what the RNC thinks. Conceding now is the right thing to do. For my fellow Republicans who think that CG fought and so should we just listen to yourself and ask who is calling the kettle black. Republicans have often died on the high road and we should do so agian this time. Let the Democrats rejoice in their victory and pat themselves on the back about what a wonderful job King County did handing them the election.

Let me be the first to say Reed in '08. Sam Reed has done a steller job as SecState looking out for the voters first and his party second. As a Republican he will soon be taking a much needed list of election reforms to a Democratic run Congress and a Democratic Governor. I believe the Democrats are very pleased with the status quo of a King County dominated election process. Please remember in eight or 24 years the Republicans may be the one's in power finding the necessary votes to maintain that power on a third recount. Our state elections need fixed now!!!! If these very necessary election reforms are to pass Mr. Reed will need bipartisan support from all of us!!!!

Don't hold your breath though!
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#264578 - 12/24/04 06:54 PM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
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Registered: 01/26/02
Posts: 301
Loc: everett,wa
CG got more votes when they were all counted like they should have been to start with.

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#264579 - 12/24/04 11:04 PM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
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Registered: 11/21/01
Posts: 387
Loc: Tacoma
Now that CG is in the lead, what is the hurry to finish the counting? Six weeks for the Dems to find all the votes and now we can't give the Repubs a few more weeks to find some more?

The idea now is to make sure it is all legitimate, right? Since the Dems have had six weeks, I think it is only fair that the Repubs get their chance to dispute.

What's the hurry? We just want to get it right....

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#264580 - 12/25/04 10:11 AM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 2385
Loc: Valencia, Negros Oriental, Phi...
ET - As a Gregoire voter (not a partisan), I have no problem with that. Dino, knock yourself out.

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#264581 - 12/25/04 11:04 AM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
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Registered: 10/31/02
Posts: 2449
Loc: Portland
No.
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#264582 - 12/27/04 11:07 PM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
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Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
I voted for- the person that I thought would do the right thing for this state, including the fisheries. I don't think party policy has one thing to do with how things work out, but I do think that the person that is Gov has the opportunity to make the right choices in making this a state that others would like to come to and fish in, (ie: spending travel dollars,taxes etc,etc.)
I thought ONCE that Gov Grid-Locke would help the sports fishers out, but I have since been schooled.
A whore is a whore no matter what party they are with.......Lets hope we don't get sold down the river again.....................
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#264583 - 12/28/04 08:35 PM Re: Do you think Dino Rossi will help salmon ....
LFISH Offline
Parr

Registered: 10/15/03
Posts: 41
Loc: Bellevue, WA
My 2 cents on the original question and other issues raised.

We better count our blessings that Dino is the loser--if we hope to continue to restore salmon and not lose funding and legislative support for natural resource agencies.

Rossi almost certainly would have attempted to weaken environmental laws and handcuffed state agencies from doing what is needed to protect fish from development, etc.

Gregoire is much better qualified to do what we need to moderate the impacts of economic development, while empowering state agencies to do their jobs and preserve fish and wildlife for future generations.

The economic study of sport versus commercial fisheries was done by WDF in the early 90's. We don't need another study. WDFW Director Koenings did a great job compiling and presenting the needed data for the legislature to be educated as to the economic values of fish and wildlife in last year's session.

We should support Gregoire as much as possible. She is very smart, and I expect her to look out for our interests.

Yay, go Chris!
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