After congress viewed the latest photos of the alledged prisoner abuse, some of the observations follow:

Others said they saw images of corpses, military dogs snarling at cowering prisoners, women commanded to expose their breasts and sex acts, including forced homosexual sex.

"There were people who were forced to have sex with each other," said Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-N.Y.

Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., said, "There were some pictures where it looked like a prisoner was sodomizing himself" with an object. He said blood was visible in the photograph.

Not everyone reacted the same way to the additional photos.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said he thought "some people are overreacting."

"The people who are against the war are using this to their political ends," he said.


Atta boy, DeLay. I knew we could count on you to turn this into partisan politics and ignore international sentiment. Are all Texans diplomatically challenged?

Yes and so are all Kings :p

Yes what was he thinking keeping it in perspective of how the other 130k troops have treated the people of Iraq. Providing food shelter what ever they could muster up to help these people. Or the billions being poured into Iraq by American charities most notably churches. Dang it's better to concentrate on what Teddy Chappaquiddick ,The french the Arabs think than what is actually going on.

And BTW;
Democrats howling for the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld for not informing them of reports of prisoner abuse in Baghdad are ignoring the fact that concerned parents of an accused soldier informed 16 members of Congress - top Democrats such as Senators Hillary Clinton, Edward Kennedy and John D. Rockefeller - and the governor of Virginia of the burgeoing scandal as far back as February 26th of this year. None of these people acted to disclose the detailed information contained in the letters.

While the media has created a firestorm about the abuse allegations at Abu Ghraib prison, only one TV network, MSNBC, disclosed the names of the members of Congress when one of the letter writers, William Lawson, mentioned them during a telephone interview.

No further mention of the names was made by MSNBC.

Otherwise, the mainstream media has circled the wagons in a blatant attempt to protect their Democratic allies in the Senate from charges of hypocrisy in condemning Secretary Rumsfeld for not informing them of what they already knew, through both Army press releases and the letters.

Lawson, the uncle of one of the accused soldiers, Staff Sgt. Ivan L. Frederick, gave NewsMax.com the names of the members of Congress and Virginia's governor as well as the text of the explosive letters in a series of faxes.

Here are the names, all Democrats except for Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, Sgt. Frederick's congressman:

Senators Jack Reed, Mark Dayton, Robert Byrd, Bill Nelson, Evan Bayh, Mark Pryor, Edward Kennedy, Benjamin Nelson, Hillary Clinton, Joseph Lieberman, Daniel Akaka, Paul Sarbanes, John D. Rockefeller, Governor Mark Warner and Rep. Roscoe Bartlett.

Senator Byrd's office would not even accept the letter e-mailed to him on the grounds it was too long.

Bartlett said he was looking into the matter.

Sarbanes said he had written the the "appropriate officials."

Rockefeller begged off on the grounds that he was barred by privacy rules.

Senator Joe Lieberman is the only one of these members of Congress who has defended Donald Rumsfeld and the world's mission in Iraq.

In fact, Senators Reed and Dayton were nearly abusive in holding the feet of Sec. Rumsfeld, Gen. Myers et alii to the fire last week - and here we find that they knew of the abuse allegations months ago.

They could only have been feigning outrage, since they have been long aware of what was going on at Abu Ghraib; the e-mail letters fully alerted the 16 Democrats and Governor Warner of the prisoner abuse accusations.

Moreover the U.S. Central Command told the media of an investigation into abuses on Jan. 16, just days after a report by a whistleblower.

"They told everyone in the world there were allegations of abuse and they were being investigated," Secretary Rumsfeld told reporters. On March 20, he added, Central Command "announced not only allegations, but they listed the types of abuses."

Lawson, a 23-year Army veteran, and other relatives of Sgt. Frederick, told those he wrote that they feared he and the other accused MPs were being made scapegoats "to save some general's carrer."

Run and hide. It's a vast liberal conspiracy.

Yeah, like why in the hell should Rumsfeld waste his precious time reading a report by a Major General when some members of Congress don't act on one unsubstantiated email out of possibly thousands. :rolleyes:

Oh, there I go again with all those shades of gray.

GH,

Well they made it public back in Jan. Way way way over blown. It needs to be dealt with but it is so far out of proportion it is beyond silly.

I agree with you on one thing there King. The political outcry here in this country MAY be a touch on the silly side, (though I personally don't think so) but the reaction to these incidents by the Iraqi citizens, most all of the other Arab states, Muslims in general and hell... the rest of the freakin' world is definitely NO LAUGHING MATTER!

4salt,

Only if you think it made any difference. Or you believe that their is a moderate Islamic majority sitting on the sidelines. I do not and have yet to see any evidence of such by action. .

What I believe King... wait... what I KNOW is that now there are a WHOLE bunch of pissed off radical extremists lining up to be the next suicide bomber that kills the great Satan from the west.

4 Salt

I agree 100%

Recruiting just got easier for the suicide bomber department

What did we do to deserve 911? What did Nick Berg do to deserve to have his head hacked off ?

I didn't realize they were having recuiting issues? Well, actually since Israel eliminated the Hamas leadership and has made good progress on the wall, bombings and incidents have been way down.

Compared to some humiliating photos and situations the Iraqi fighters were put through, I think these pics should remind us what we are fighting for and who we are fighting against. It isn't a country or a religion - it is against those terrorists responsible for these and many other terror actions - and against those who would protect and support those terrorists.










(mods - please delete if this is not appropriate. But I feel this is a life and death matter and these things should not be forgotten or buried due to superficial political agendas. America is at war. We didn't start it, but we will finish it. If we don't take it to them, they will, as they've shown over and over in the past (getting worse each time), take it to us...)

Phreak,

You just don't Phreakin' get it do you?

Let me spell it out one more time:

IRAQ DID NOT COMMIT THE 911 TERRORIST ATTACKS!

How many times does even Rumsfeld and GWB need to say it before it finally sinks in???

Having just watched the video of Nick Berg being decapitated, I know the meaning of sickness, depravity, & horror. I listen to the voices of the right wing media and hear that we all need to see this so that "we understand what we are fighting". As with all things however, the devil (no pun intended) is in the details. Just who do we kill to gain justice for Nick Berg? What I seem to be hearing is "kill em all, let God sort them out". Dealing with the guilty is far easier than finding the guilty. And for every innocent person that we kill, we create 3 new potential terrorists (my estimate only). That is partly why the abuses at Abu Garib (sp.) Prison is such a big deal. While I in no way see equivalence between what we know (so far) of the Prison abuses and what happened to Mr. Berg, it is important to note that I am not the one we need to convince. There are Islamic extremists who look for any excuse to feed their hatred and we seem to be hell bent on providing it to them. And before anyone blames "the media" know full well that innocents will talk, pictures or not and the result will be the same.
So, while we need to avenge Nick Berg's murder - we need to do it judiciously and concisely, or the solution becomes worse than the disease.

You guys who are hell bent on finding all fault with America are making me nervous. You go out of your way every day to blame America and apologize for the terrorists..it is getting to the point of herd mentality. I can't spell Zarkawi but he was the one leading the beheading and the chants to Allah as mr. Berg screamed. Why is it that the beheading is somehow Bush's fault and not the animals who did the deed? Same people responsible for Madrid and several of the most notable terrorist attacks of the past few months.

These people living in the 6th century will kill you no matter what you do...they are bent on one path....Not exclusive to Bush or anyone else. The simplistic blame game going on here is sickening. Know your real enemy.

Did you hear Berg's screams? Did you hear the bodies hitting the concrete at the base of the WTC?
Did you see our civilians burnt bodies hanging from the bridge in Falluja?

Like it or not we are at war. It is a war of good vs evil. Larry frikin Flint ran for Govoner of Ca. and made millions in the porn industry. as have thousands of others. Yet now that some Iraq Red Guard murders are embarrassed a bit by a few sick and angry soldiers , all of American is being accused of committing war crimes by the likes of Ted (can't swim that well) Kennedy and self accused war criminal John Kerry. It makes me sick.

There is alot of hate being thrown around here, but I don't believe that it is so much hate as rare emotions surfacing. We , at least most Americans, have grown up believing that America is the greatest country in the world and we are not used to seeing the autrocities (sp) that we are now being subjected to.

With strong faith in our way of life and true convictions on our part, good will triumph over evil

And to echo many others here it doesn't matter who our president is the bad guys want to kill all of us.

Finally went over to the dark side hey Aunty?

"A girl can only take so much before she loses he composure. Lucky for them they weren't in the same room as I have a very loud voice when I am mad. "


A girl debating with men knows they by custom have to walk a Chivalrous line. So she can say and do what they want and the men will only walk away. If you were a man in a room with a very loud voice you would land on your ample ass and have to think about your next step. Or be tougher than anyone n the room. And you talk of morals and fairplay.

No but I saw the pictures of hundreds of Iraqi children lying in mass graves killed by the people that you are trying to defend.

now it is your turn to reply by calling me names and making personal attacks...............

Am,

My apologies I was not referring( although it looks like I was) to you but speaking in general. In my circle thats what we say to each other. I have never met you I do not no if its ample or skinny and it does not matter. I never called you a fat cow BTW.