Ron Reagan, Jr.: Stated his dad never wore his religion on his sleeve, and never felt he had a mandate from God.......unlike some other politicians.
Gee I wonder who he was referring too? It's a well known fact that Ron Jr. has no love for Bush.
I wasn't a Reagan admirer but at least the man had some honor which is alot more than can be said of this pitiful little pissant we have in the Oval office now.
Those of you that loved Presdient Reagan should be insulted that GW has appointed himself as the torch bearer of the Reagan legacy.

Studies have shown that too much hate can not only poison ones physical and psychological health but also erode ones morality, sense of well being and outlook upon life.

For all who value the sunny positive disposition that Reagan was so famous for I offer the following softer portrait of his family members and their wishes...


Fox News -- Saturday, June 12, 2004

SIMI VALLEY, Calif. - Ronald Reagan's children said farewell to their father on a hilltop overlooking California's Simi Valley in a private sunset service.

"You knew my father as president, as governor. Well, I knew him as Dad," said Michael Reagan, speaking with the mountains behind him and the sun slowly setting. "We would swim, and we would ride horses. Or we would just watch him cut firewood. We were in awe of our father."

After lying in state and receiving tribute from leaders across the world, Reagan returned home to California, where his family and close friends said their final goodbyes. Other than the minister, the only speakers at Reagan's final memorial service were his surviving children Patti Davis, Ron and Michael, who offered personal reminiscences of their father. A daughter, Maureen, died from cancer in 2001.

Patti Davis said, "My father never feared death. He never saw it as an ending." She then recalled how when she was a child, Reagan took time out of his busy day to officiate over the funeral services of a pet goldfish.

"He was the most plainly decent man you could ever hope to meet," said Ronald P. Reagan. He was a gentleman in the truest sense of the word: a gentle man."

He continued, "In his final letter to the American people, Dad wrote, 'I now begin the journey that will lead me into the sunset of my life.' This evening, he has arrived."

Among the 700 friends of Reagan who attended the California memorial service are Hollywood stars Tom Selleck, Bo Derek, and Frank Sinatra Jr.; former L.A. Dodgers Manager Tommy Lasorda; singer Wayne Newton; California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and former Gov. Pete Wilson.

"It seemed as if the heavens were weeping as we paid farewell to your servant Ronald Reagan," said Rev. Michael Wenning, the service officiator. "We have come from sea to shining sea to this soil that he loved so much and where his body will remain."

The Reagan family specifically asked that official Washington not attend the service. The only world leader - former or current - at the service will be former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, with whom Reagan worked arm in arm as they fought the Cold War.

"They've come home. It's as simple as that. Washington was a place where Reagan made great history, but it wasn't home," said Richard Norton Smith, former director of the Reagan Presidential Library.

Military pallbearers carried the casket past a slab of the Berlin Wall, which Reagan worked tirelessly to bring down. And a military band played Hail to the Chief one last time for Reagan.

When Reagan's children finished speaking, the casket was accompanied to the burial site by an Irish bagpiper playing Amazing Grace. The military gave its final tribute as an army bugler played Taps, soldiers gave a 21-gun salute and FA 18s flew overhead in a missing man formation.

The massive motorcade carrying Reagan the 25 miles from Point Mugu Naval Air Station to his final resting place north of Los Angeles was greeted by thousands of Americans who lined the streets to say farewell. The mourners had traveled from as far away as Texas and Florida to wave goodbye to the Gipper.

"We just want to be a part of it, show our respect to the Reagan family," said onlooker Eric Philips.

The commander in chief who won the Cold War also received a farewell from servicemen at Point Mugu, where his casket arrived in California after the state funeral in Washington D.C.'s National Cathedral.

After waiting for hours, more than 2,500 flag-waving mourners met the president and his family at the base that Reagan often used as president while flying back and forth between Washington and his home. Many cheered as Nancy Reagan stepped off the presidential jet from Washington to head for the burial service. The facility honored Reagan with a 21-gun howitzer salute, and tributes from a Marine Corps band that included "Hail to the Chief."

The service for family and friends capped six days of mourning and nostalgic remembrance for Reagan, who died of pneumonia last Saturday at age 93 after a long struggle with Alzheimer's disease.

After the state funeral, Reagan's body was taken to Andrews Air Force Base in suburban Maryland and loaded aboard a presidential plane as a band played "Going Home." Bells tolled 40 times to honor America's 40th president, as his casket left the cathedral.

The Boeing 747 carrying Reagan flew over his boyhood home in Tampico, Illinois, and over the president's library, tipping its wings at both locations. In addition to his family, the former president was accompanied on the flight by Thatcher, entertainer Merv Griffin, former adviser Michael K. Deaver and others.

The most tender moments of the past week have come from Nancy Reagan, 82. Slow in step, yet keenly alert to every polished move in the week's remembrance, she shepherded the casket with quiet intensity, turning the most public of events into a series of private moments. She kissed it lightly at the Capitol Rotunda, where Reagan lay in state. She ran her hands slowly up and down the stripes of the flag and, leaning close, seemed to whisper something to her husband of 52 years.

Another moving moment occurred when Commander James Symonds of the U.S.S Ronald Reagan aircraft carrier got down on one knee and presented Mrs. Reagan with the flag that has draped her husband's casket.

Reagan himself picked the hill where he wanted to be buried. The hilltop has a spectacular view of the valley and on a clear day the Pacific Ocean can be seen. The internment is scheduled for later Friday night away from cameras.

The funeral in Washington was attended by current and former leaders from around the world, including all four of America's living presidents - Bill Clinton, George H. W. Bush, Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford. They praised Reagan his lifelong optimism, sense of humor and political accomplishments as thousands of mourners watched solemnly from packed pews.

"His politics had a freshness and optimism that won converts from every class and every nation - and ultimately from the very heart of the evil empire," said Thatcher in taped remarks presented at the funeral in Washington. Thatcher, who has given up public speaking after a series of small strokes, sat next to Mikhail Gorbachev, who led that Soviet "empire" and eventually became Reagan's friend.

In his eulogy, President Bush said, "Ronald Reagan belongs to the ages now, but we preferred it when he belonged to us."

RIP

May the worms he feeds grow to be big, fat and healthy.

Yeah you're right Plunker! I'll try harder to quit hating people who think it's okay to kill wild steelhead

As DanS would say "Pot....meet kettle"
:p Either you're not the brightest bulb in the box grandpa or you're a hypocrite! You pick which one applies best to you.

Well Stew all I can say is that you rarely say anything that is not filled with hatred and bitterness. Myself , on the other hand, find sport in shooting back and mocking folks who sound off like you and H2O and a few others do. If you really hate the people and principles you seem to hate it must be hard work. Maybe you're not really a hateful person and the internet morphs you into something you're not. I hope so. For me this is a game and nothing more.

Kind of funny though..when the dicussions turn to fishing you still spew hate for those who don't agree with your way of fishing. They are idiots and wild fish killers...etc... Maybe it is you who are in the minority and as such maybe you feel attacks are the only weapon you have that will work? Well maybe you can take a lesson from one of those you hate so much, Ronald Reagan, and see something good in those you oppose? I doubt it but maybe you could try.

I guess you choose the "hypocrite" option then huh?

Stew,

Ron Reagan isn't a Jr. (he has a different middle name than his father) --just to point out one of several things wrong with your entry.


Scott


"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart--if your still a liberal at forty you have no brain."

It is very common for a son to want to be different from his father as a way of saying I am my own man. This can be tempered if the dad spends time with the son doing things like fishing hunting etc. that they both enjoy. The son grows up knowing that although different that their is love that binds them together and a respect due. It is also clear that RR and Nancy did not spend the time they could have with their kids while they built Rons political career. I would be embarrased to attack others during my fathers funeral like he did. I think his dad should have spent more time with him.

"In the most recent Gallup Poll, conducted May 21-23, 47% of Americans approve and 49% disapprove of the job Bush is doing as president. That rating is characterized by a wide gulf in the views of Republicans and Democrats -- 89% of Republicans approve of Bush, but just 12% of Democrats do. That 77 percentage-point gap is the highest of Bush's presidency, and the gap between Republicans and Democrats has been 70 points or higher since mid-February.

Imagine that. Kerry has the press on his side bashing Bush at every turn on every issue and he is in a statistical tie months out. Yet the left crows that he is winning

Polls are 'the press'?

You don't present the most attractive profile with your head buried in the sand like that.

Who's bashing whom?

A new analysis shows only 27% of Kerry\'s ads have attacked Bush by name, while 75% of Bush\'s ads have attacked Kerry.

Harley,

You need to get your monitor replaced. It's obviously not accurately displaying what is being posted. The Press son the press they do his dirty work for him. Neither side can claim the high road but the press should remain neutral.

Yeah, I've noticed the diabolical media such as Weekly Standard, National Review, Washington Post, Free Republic, NewsMax, Murdoch & Co., et al, have all been running Bush through the wringer.

Are you claiming that mainstream media is committing liable? Are you advocating there's no truth in what they're printing? If you consider the mainstream media biased because it prints negative stories about the administration, why isn't the conservative media printing some good stories? Are there very few to print, perhaps?

If you're looking for a media source that only prints the positive things about its government, I think the Pravda and China Daily are both available online.

Harley,


Good example of the editorial nature of todays press" Are you claiming that mainstream media is committing liable? ' all that from me saying the press should remain neutral. You and the press are as emotional as a woman ovulating. I'll cite the Iraq prison over sensationalism as an example. Using words like "Horrific and Devastating" is hardly being objective. BTW survey after survey shows a liberal bias in the media.

the conservative media are all hamsters in a ball right now, spinning, spinning, spinning....their is no positive grist for their mill.

Their new catchword is 'pessism', though. As if by virtue of merely thinking we have the lousiest president in us history we somehow have a dim view of our future...

...sure we do, if the nincompoop stays in office!

I am optimistic though that won't happen and optimistic about the direction of the country under more moderate, maybe even left-leaning leadership.

Deny it all you'd like, the nineties under Clinton were a very optimistic time in our history, both for the left and right.

Things Elvis is likely to say every time he posts on this board:

"Liberal Bias in the media, Richard"

(Good answer! , good answer! )

"SURVEY SAYS!!"

Ding, ding, ding

How is a statistical tie losing? I can show just as many experts that predict a comparative landslide win for Bush. BTW how many elections have been decided by something other than the economy? How many sitting presidents have lost elections with strong economic growth?

....and here comes inflation, due to high gas prices because of unease in the market, created almost entirely by Bush's atrocious and contemptible foreign policy decisions.

I'm sure that won't pop their optimistic little bubble though.....

By most measures the ecomomy is booming. Gas prices just dropped by .25 a gallon over the weekend alone. I'm sure there is some doom and gloom out there somewhere.thank God for the Dems to dredge up something bad on a daily basis.

LA Times Poll Had Sample With 38% Democrats, 25% Republicans
Tue Jun 15 2004 10:13:47 ET

Sen. John Kerry "has taken big lead," according "to an L.A. Times poll."

But the Times poll that showed Kerry "beating Bush by 7 points" has created a controversy over whether the poll's sample accurately reflects the population as whole, ROLL CALL reports on Tuesday.

"Not counting independents, the Times' results were calculated on a sample made up of 38 percent Democrats and 25 percent Republicans -- a huge and unheard-of margin," ROLL CALL claims.

You aren't lauding the Bush administration for the drop in gas prices are you? If it weren't for that knuckleheads foreign policy decisions prices wouldn't have been at 2.25 a gal, making a dime drop seem significant....

Inflation fears, both by the market AND the fed are legitimate. Retail spending is up but so are prices. Most retailers will wait a touch to recoup their losses due to gas prices in hopes that you won't notice, or in their words to soften the blow. Either way the true impact has not been felt, yet. Runaway inflation is a serious risk....

If the economy is 'booming' why hasn't the stock market responded in kind? I think its because most analysts are convinced that the current gas situation is untenable for much longer, if it isn't too late already.

Call it doom and gloom if you wish, the reality is that this situation is directly attributable to Bush policy. No war in Iraq, no skyrocketing gas prices and inflation pressure.

Again, for the deaf or blind, I am highly optimistic that good foreign policy decisions can undo the damage over time. Don't confuse my ire with pessimism....when we are dancing on this administrations grave you may have trouble discerning my optimism from glee.

Gas prices were much lower on 9-11 and the stock market was where on Oct 11th. I suppose Bush foreign policy was to blame for that. Hey lumber prices are through the roof right now I bet Cheney has his finger on that button from some bunker somewhere.

For someone who at one time espoused the 30, 000 ft view, the narrow view fits you remarkably well.

TK, don't you remember Bush placed a tariff on Canadian lumber imports to artificially prop up domestic lumber prices? Short memory.

selective memory

...supply side economics has the government propping up business interests whilst expecting its citizenry to solve their own problems. Its cheaper to charge tariffs than it is to address the healthcare crisis in a meaninful way, for example.

Compassionate conservatism, my ass.

Stlhd,

Yes softwood imports because they where killing production of chipboard and pywood in the S. Dimension prices are up as well not covered by the tarrif.

Yeah, Short sighted is right when you bring up health care. Kerry mentions 43 million with out "affordable healthcare" then he goes on about how this is below the richest country in the world. notice the use of " without" followed closely by the word "rich" thats liberal speak for bendover tax payers. Given how well the feds are at running other similar socialist programs we are in for a anal workover if that program ever flies. Lets see the two largest spending item on the federal buget sheet today are Social Security and Human services programs. Whoa Nelly! they have mandatory % increases through 2030 making them up to 60% of the federal buget? Well lets add another program just like it. There are answers in the private sector for this issue rahter than creating another SS admin like boondogle to provide sub standard service.

I know ,I know Dr's and drug companies are thieves for expecting to make a profit on 10 years of school or billions invested in research. While the same people calling them theives milked every cent they could out of their companies via unions and ROI via stocks and retirement programs. it's ok if you do it but wrong if others do it. The great logic flaw of the liberal left.

TK, why are US drug companies charging foreigners in foreign lands far less for drugs than they do US citizens? You'd think it'd be the other way around wouldn't you?
You mention doctors but nothing about insurance companies, the true culprit, in your selective reasoning. And before you go on about the necessity of tort reform to drive down insurance costs lets first have insurance companies show us their books so we can all see that the rates being charged are justified.

[QUOTE] [/Call it doom and gloom if you wishQUOTE]

H2O...I looked up doom and gloom in the dictionary tonight and I saw your picture (scary too!)...you had your hand up and on each finger were puppets of doom....Stlhead, AuntyM, Harley. and a couple of others.All dancing to your tune of doom....What a gloomy world it is on your side of the fence. On my side of the fence things are looking better every day.

I did read a press release today on AP that North Korea is rooting for Kerry to win....Just like you and your puppets of doom

Thank God there is hope out there in the heartland....What a beautiful day it was today. Sun shining, Gas prices down, stock market up, sales up, employment at a 6 year high pace, Gary Locke almost gone.....AAAAA what a great country. God Bless America....I rejoice in the fact that you and your puppets of doom are such a tiny minority ...kind of like pissants on a grain of rice......Where's my can or RAID?

I think the entire world is pushing for Kerry. No doom here GP. Thinks are looking mighty fne this November. Gas prices "down"? I heard oil spiked up again yesterday. IMO, we will never see prices fall back to what they were. Severe spikes have always raised the bar permanently. I'll charge you an arm and make you feel good by offering you back three fingers. Just keep paying your taxes so the Iraqis can continue paying five cents a gallon.

AAAA life is good today. George Bush addresses the troops worldwide and gets standing ovations...And the puppets of doom are still dancing and singing their tune.

Stlhd,

The rest of the world is for Kerry. I cannot believe i am shocked that you think this is good thing. What did your parents do to you?

You should turn over every dime of your income that is not needed to keep you alive to the govt. Why should you profit when you think it's wrong for others. Btw youcan go online and look at most of the insurance compnaies books. Ahh I forgot you have no idea how to read them.

The entire world is not the same as "the rest of the world". The entire world includes the U.S.....except for neocons.
So, Pulman brainiac....go online, pick any insurance company you'd like and show me exactly what was taken in on malpractice insurance premiums and what was paid out.

Stlhd,

Why just malpractice?

AM,

I read gallup polls just fine. You do not understand margin of error. call up Gallup they will tell you the race nationally is a statistical tie. You pick a poll that suits your agenda that and leave out the margin of error and regional bias statements. So doe the LA Times or El Tiempo de Los Angeles.

AM ,

I posted on 06-14-2004 02:59 PM

How is a statistical tie losing? I can show just as many experts that predict a comparative landslide win for Bush. BTW how many elections have been decided by something other than the economy? How many sitting presidents have lost elections with strong economic growth?

Nice dodge however and please answer the question.

TK, because that is the "basis" for pushing tort reform and limiting awards.....high malpractice insurance premiums. So, if you have a way of deciphering what is taken in and what is paid out then I'd like to see it. Here's the reason you can't produce it. Insurance companies took a bath on market investments and turned around and raised premiums to regain the loss on bad investments. Their "problems" and high premiums have nothing to do with malpractice lawsuits. And, until they prove otherwise I say we sweat them and offer no legislation that will directly benefit them.

Stlhd,

Again spoken from a place dark and moist. I have an insurance licsense as well as RE licsense and a few others as a consultant. Premiums are going up for one reason Risk has gone up and there is fewer places to spread that risk . Sub insurers have all but dissapeared in the wake of 9-11 and some big natural disasters . So the larger national and regional insurance companies have only limted palces to spread risk if at all which means your rates go up. Businesses will see a doubling if the have not already and individuals will see cancelations in high risk areas like the NW and increased prems. There are insurance commisioners in every state. Companies have to file petitons for rate increases that generally take two years to get approved. In this process they have to open the Kimono to the regulators to show actuarials on risk and loss to justify the increase. It's all open to public disclosure if you are that concerned about it.

Are you switching the subject again TK? Malpractice insurance premiums....show me the money.

No Stlhd you mad this very false claim and I refuted it.

"Insurance companies took a bath on market investments and turned around and raised premiums to regain the loss on bad investments. Their "problems" and high premiums have nothing to do with malpractice lawsuits. And, until they prove otherwise I say we sweat them and offer no legislation that will directly benefit them."

Malpractice ins. is high because of the cost to defend and settle malpractice claims.

... and I believe Stlhd is asking you to prove that point with data.

GH turn your hearing aid up.

The fact that the states insurance commision allowed an increase in rates means that the industry had to show data( financial and actuarial) giving it a compeling case to raise the rates. It's a regulated industry. One could get that info from any insurance commisioners office.

I don't like wearing my hearing aids because then I can't use them for an excuse in my selective hearing technique.


That sounds like an assumption to me. I think that's why Stlhd wanted hard data to prove that point. Me, I don't give a crap - I'm on "socialized" health care and loving it. But I sincerely feel sorry for the millions of Americans that can't afford health care or insurance. Not a good way to build a strong nation.

TK, it actually sounds like you are proving my point unintentionally. The skyrocketing malpractice premiums really have nothing to do with malpractice lawsuits and the insurance industry is unwilling to open it's books to prove that they are. The reason I brought the subject up is that I have read lately that this is heating up again and that some doctors have begun refusing treatment to trial lawyers.

Stlhd,

You have more lame conspiracies. Conspiriacies are for the uneducated and uninformed or those that refuse to accept the facts or responsibility. The blacks and criminals have "The Man" that holds them down, Ignorant people with religion blame everything on the "Devil". The older generation of the Ignorant blamed everything on the "mob". The new generation of the ignorant balme" big business" for all the ills of this great land from War to opression.

...and Christians have 'God's will' to chalk stuff they don't understand up to.

H20, You hit that bait like a mudshark!

The constant changing of the subject by TK.

...you just throw the pitches Elvis, I'll hit them out of the park.

Stlhd,

Feeling persecuted now ? Another conspiracy ? "The constant changing of the subject by TK."

Don't worry TK....H2O's government check will come in a couple weeks and he can afford his medication again and he'll be ok

TK I could never possibly in your wildest dreams be persecuted by someone as clueless as you. But go ahead and dwell on your fantasies in your mind. I'm thinking in November you are going to be on here insisting GW was re-elected and stick with it right past the swearing in of Kerry. I can here it now:
" Kerry's not the president. Don't you get it? Show me some proof. Oh those links are from Liberal media types. They are biased. GW won and you just don't know it. Generals, state department heads...what do they know. You are all biased. Every last one of you." blah blah blah.

Stlhd,

Take another pill now you are dilusional to go along with the paranoia and persecution.

You talk about taking drugs an awful lot TK. It's very self explanatory.

Just trying to get you some help. Libs like to treat the symptom not the cause so I went with the drugs. To truly fix your problem you would have to go to Iraq and visit MR. Z for a jihadist lobotomy!

Nah, just a little trip to fall city to look at the caged monkey.

..oooh look how cute, it can type!!

Sorry it took me a while to get back to you. I had to go to have some kindergartners translate your thoughts. Seems to fall into the "I know what I am but what are you " catagory accoringto them . Now I will go cry and only hope to recover my self esteem after your vicious attacks

I think I see why dodge ball is making a big comeback. All this pent up hostility towards one another. We need an outlet for all this steam. That big red rubber ball may be in order around here. Would it be ok though to paste a woman in the a$$ with a rubber ball to vent some agression? Or lambaste a disabled person in the head with same? Could be a great event .....Libs VS neocons.....

Take that you self righteous moron!!!!
Comin at ya you stupid neandrathal!!!!

WFL,
It could never happen. The libs would have to level the playing field. So we would all have to become Balck ,female, Blind , Homosexuals in a wheelchair to have a fair game. Even then if someone won it would be a beacuse they where part of corporate conspiracy and Dick Cheneys puppet.