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#267988 - 06/16/04 05:38 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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the very thing that has enabled our Government to keep us safe from domestic terrorist acts for nearly three years
What kept us safe before the Patriot Act?
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#267989 - 06/16/04 05:48 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
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And remember that Kerry voted for the PA before he flopped and said he did not.

I am not a fan of the Patriot Act but I see the need for it. It is preferable to the paranoia we had in WWII where every German and Japanese family was looked at suspiciously.
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#267990 - 06/16/04 05:54 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
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How we are winning the war on terrorism:

First, we are disrupting terrorist threats, and capturing the terrorists that would carry them out. Over the last two years:

Our intelligence and law enforcement communities, and our partners, both here and abroad, have identified and disrupted over 150 terrorist threats and cells;
Worldwide, nearly two-thirds of al Qaida’s known senior leadership has been captured or killed -- including a mastermind of the September 11th attacks;
Worldwide, more than 3,000 operatives have been incapacitated;
Four terrorist cells in Buffalo, Detroit, Seattle, and Portland (Oregon), have been broken up;
305 individuals have been criminally charged in the United States in terrorism investigations;
Already, 176 individuals have been convicted or have pled guilty in the United States, including shoe-bomber Richard Reid and "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh; and
Over 515 individuals linked to the September 11th investigation have been removed from the United States.
Second, we are gathering and cultivating detailed knowledge on terrorism in the United States:

Hundreds of suspected terrorists have been identified and tracked throughout the United States;
Our human sources of intelligence have increased 40% since 9/11, and the quality of this human intelligence has improved significantly; and
Our counterterrorism investigations have more than doubled since 9/11.


Third, we are gathering information by leveraging criminal charges and long prison sentences. When individuals realize that they face a long prison term, they often try to lessen their prison time by pleading guilty and cooperating with the government.

These individuals have provided critical intelligence about al-Qaida and other terrorist groups, safehouses, training camps, recruitment, and tactics in the United States, and the operations of those terrorists who mean to do Americans harm.
One individual has given us intelligence on weapons stored here in the United States.
Another individual has identified locations in the United States being scouted or cased for potential attacks by al-Qaida.
Fourth, we are dismantling the terrorist financial network. Already the United States Government has:

Designated 36 terrorist organizations;
Frozen $133 million in assets around the world;
Launched 70 investigations into terrorist financing, with 23 convictions or guilty pleas to date; and
Established an FBI Terrorist Financing Operations Section (TFOS) and utilized the Joint Terrorism Task Forces to identify, investigate, prosecute, disrupt, and dismantle terrorist-related financial and fundraising activities.
Fifth, we are using new legal tools to detect, disrupt, and prevent potential terrorist plots. Congress has provided better tools to make sure we are doing all we can, legally and within the bounds of the Constitution, to detect, disrupt, and prevent acts of terror. The PATRIOT Act passed with overwhelming bipartisan majorities, in the Senate by 98-1, and in the House of Representatives by 357-66.

The PATRIOT Act allows investigators to use the tools that were already available to investigate organized crime and drug trafficking. These tools have been used for decades and have been reviewed and approved by the courts.
The PATRIOT Act facilitates information sharing and cooperation among government agencies so that they can better “connect the dots.” In the past, different agencies and departments were collecting data but not sharing it with each other. Now we are able to share that data to prevent future attacks.
The PATRIOT Act updated the law to reflect new technologies and new threats. The Act brought the law up to date with current technology, so we no longer have to fight a digital-age battle with legal authorities left over from the era of rotary telephones.
The PATRIOT Act increased the penalties for those who commit terrorist crimes. Americans are threatened as much by the terrorist who pays for a bomb as by the one who detonates it. That’s why the Act imposed tough new penalties on those who commit and support terrorist operations, both at home and abroad.


Sixth, the Department of Justice is building its long-term counter-terrorism capacity since September 11th:

A nearly three-fold increase in counter-terrorism funds;
Approximately 1,000 new and redirected FBI agents dedicated to counterterrorism and counterintelligence;
250 new Assistant U.S. Attorneys;
66 Joint Terrorism Task Forces;
337% increase in Joint Terrorism Task Force staffing; and
FBI Flying Squads developed for rapid deployment to hot spots worldwide.

http://www.lifeandliberty.gov/subs/a_terr.htm


I know it's all lies and propaganda.
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#267991 - 06/16/04 07:13 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
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Hey Stlhead,

It looks like Theking is a much faster typist than myself (in replying to your question about how we're safer and what destructive terrorist plans have been uncovered and stopped).

But as far as your concern that the F.B.I. can search a suspected terrorist conspirator home without a warrant--If that potentially helps save one American life from a terrorist act--I have no problem with that what so ever--They can even search my house if they like.

I don't have anything to hide...do you?


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#267992 - 06/16/04 07:19 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Ben Franklin wouldn't agree. But he probably just had something to hide.
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#267993 - 06/16/04 07:28 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
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Hey Dan S.,

You asked what kept us safe before the Patriot Act? ( in reply to my assertion that we haven't had a terrorist act in nearly three years).

The answer is nothing (or maybe some luck here and there). Do you remember 9/11/01, the U.S.S Cole bombing or the first bombing of the World Trade Center?


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#267994 - 06/16/04 07:30 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Yes I do. Would the PA have prevented them? Who knows?

But I don't know that we're any safer or less safe than we were prior to 9/11.
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She was standin' alone over by the juke box, like she'd something to sell.
I said "baby, what's the goin' price?" She told me to go to hell.

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#267995 - 06/16/04 07:35 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
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Fair enough--That's an honest answer.
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#267996 - 06/16/04 07:44 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
eddie Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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SCOWAK said, "I don't have anything to hide...do you?"

Just my bound copy of each of Bill Clinton's Inaguaration speeches and my old, tired, tattered copy of the Constitution. \:D
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#267997 - 06/16/04 08:05 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
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Registered: 09/11/03
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Loc: Third stone from the sun
Hey eddie,

Why would you need to hide those things-- they're perfectly legal. Besides, anyone who quotes R.P. McMurphy can't be that bad.

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#267998 - 06/16/04 09:18 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
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[QUOTE] [/QUIf you or TK are truly neocons, then you may indeed, be an enemy to this nation.OTE]

Wow..getting venomous again are we? I don't even know what a "neocon" is. I think it is more of an adjective with negative connotations you toss around in every other post. Frankly I am having trouble understanding where you really stand on your own. You are a reasonable advocate for the angry and pessimistic left but I'm not sure what you really stand for yourself.....really

Oh I almost forgot..."Dangerous" is another overused barb used to attack those who don't agree with your view of the world.....Just like bigot.....just like Hitler....ad infinitum
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#268000 - 06/16/04 09:54 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
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Unfortunately your posts are regressing and are progrssively getting more pathetic every time.....Sling the crap 24/7...too bad.
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#268002 - 06/16/04 10:23 PM Re: An even handed analysis of Bush
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Only responding to your insults which pervade every post anymore. This gotcha game is getting old....that God fishing is starting up.
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