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#270174 - 08/11/04 02:10 AM I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
Rory Bellows Offline
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I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas.....


.....Just like the one I used to know (in 1968).

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Here's more evidence of John "they call him Flipper-Flipper.... king of the Mekong" Kerry's contradictions, flip-flops or outright lies about his service in SE Asia :

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200408101318.asp
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#270175 - 08/11/04 03:15 AM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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seriously rory, try to post something that hasn't been debunked or had its credibility ripped to shreds.

Because you can do better...
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#270176 - 08/11/04 11:54 AM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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From the article:
Quote:
... Kerry and some members of his crew might simply have been confused about where they were. While that conflicts with Gardner's recollection, it might still seem plausible if Kerry had, over the years, said only that he was in Cambodia at one time. Given today's questions, Kerry might now say that he simply believed he was there, but in retrospect sees that he might not have known his precise position at the time.
Given the choice between believing Kerry or Gardner, it's pretty simple.

And it doesn't change the fact that Kerry volunteered for combat. Unlike George "Driving That Plane, High on Cocaine" Bouche. \:D
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#270177 - 08/11/04 11:56 AM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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GH,

Kerry coulkd have been on the dumper in sinapore and you would find a way to justify his actions.
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#270178 - 08/11/04 12:14 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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...but he wasn't.

Dumbya Bouche could have been face deep in a cokepile while Kerry was serving his country and you'd find a way to justify that.

Oh..........................................
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#270179 - 08/11/04 12:35 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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Goharley and h20,

What credible evidence do you have that GW was using cocaine during his service in the 'Guard?
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goharley,

Since you're the military expert, do you know what percentage of active duty servicemen/women are Absent Without a Leave for a small period of time during their service career?

Finally, in the eyes of the military and it's judicial system, if found guilty--which is a worse offense: Being AWOL for a short period of time or Being a WAR CRIMINAL?
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#270180 - 08/11/04 12:47 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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cool, an argument for a change.

I'm going to assume this is where you trot out the 'aiding and abetting the enemy' argument.

Only when you do, try to get it straight, ok? 'War crimes' are pursued by the world court, not the us military, so your argument is flawed from the get go.

Furthermore, even if war crimes were punishable by the us military Kerry couldn't be prosecuted for what you are suggesting because HE WAS EXCERSISING HIS RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN TO FREE SPEECH as a civilian over whom the military has no jurisdiction.

So the only possible answer to your question is AWOL.

Maybe I'm not getting it...try rephrasing the question.
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#270181 - 08/11/04 12:59 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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Quote:
Originally posted by goharley:

From the article:

[QUOTE]... Kerry might now say that he simply believed he was there, but in retrospect sees that he might not have known his precise position at the time.
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Also from the article:


In March 1986, Kerry said, during a speech on the Senate floor, that, "I remember Christmas in 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietmanese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians........I have that memory which is seared----seared----in me..."

That statement isn't speculation or conjecture----That statement is Kerry's OWN words.
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#270182 - 08/11/04 01:06 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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War criminal?

The truth will only stretch so far........right now it looks like Stretch Armstrong.


Justifying being AWOL? Nice.

Quote:
Kerry coulkd have been on the dumper in sinapore and you would find a way to justify his actions
Oh, this is too rich. \:D Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.
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#270184 - 08/11/04 01:22 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
Rory Bellows Offline
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AuntyM,

So GW is now a deserter?

Please explain how the word 'desertion' in any way applies to Bush 43's service record.
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Like Bushwick Bill said, "give me some of that $hit you 'been smoking."
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#270185 - 08/11/04 01:44 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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I'm not a military expert, I only play one in your mind.

Do some research and you'll find multiple references to Bouche and coke.

If you were truly concerned about credible evidence you wouldn't post 99% of the crap you do.

By the way, your quote from the article leads credence to mine. Thank you.
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#270186 - 08/11/04 01:45 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
Rory Bellows Offline
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Here's another good argument and justication for making Kerry's campaign song:
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They call him Flipper--Flipper, King of the Mekong.....

No one you see....

Changes positions better than he......

------'come on-all together now-----
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Another good read and nail in the coffin of Pierre's presidential bid :

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/220785p-189814c.html
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#270188 - 08/11/04 02:25 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
goharley Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rory Bellows:

Another good read and nail in the coffin of Pierre's presidential bid
If that's your definition of a good read, then... well... I'm sorry I over-estimated you.

Funny how the GOP is trying to nail Kerry now for one day in question. But they seem to keep dodging the Bouche AWOL question. Doesn't it seem odd that Bouche can't find a single guy to come forward saying they served together? Honorably?
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#270189 - 08/11/04 05:22 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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No but then the topic was 250 swift boat vetrans saying Kerry is lying. Saying things like he refused to patrol up river and wanted to stay in the delta. Saying he was no where near Cambodia, Saying that he self inflicted two of his 3 PH's wounds. Saying that they feel he came to vietnam to stage things for his ultimate goal of running for president. They are generally saying he is a lying ,cheating , self serving individual that is unfit for the CIC title. Which has nothing to do with Bush and everything to do with Kerry. Stick to the topic.
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#270191 - 08/11/04 06:34 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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Can someone point me to the proof\witnesses or whatever you have that shows that Bush was AWOL? I keep hearing that brought up, but I've never actually seen the condemning evidence...

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#270192 - 08/11/04 06:42 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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Can someone point me to the proof\witnesses or whatever you have that shows that Bush was AWOL? I keep hearing that brought up, but I've never actually seen the condemning evidence...

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#270193 - 08/11/04 06:42 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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where was he?

you tell us where he was during the time in question and we'll all shut up.
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#270194 - 08/11/04 06:46 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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I guess that's my question. What is the 'time in question'? I haven't really had a chance to look into this whole AWOL thing.

Was there a post on this I missed? I'll go back and look...

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#270195 - 08/11/04 06:47 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
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I'm also curious how these not so siwft boaters for bush remember in detail wounds, where he was, etc 40 years ago.....????

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#270196 - 08/11/04 06:59 PM Re: I'm dreaming of a Cambodian Christmas
PhishPhreak Offline
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OK, here's an article about it:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5761856

So the issue is that people have questions that they are having trouble finding answers to. Some issues are due to some issues finding certain military records. Some issues are around finding witnesses. But all i've seen is lack of evidence that is being used to assume a possible issue.

The issue with Kerry is much more air tight it would seem and not based purely on assumptions. We have many witnesses, motive, his own words from recorded interviews and public testimony, his own words from his book, his military records (that we don't have all of dispite promises), etc.

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