Detracts the pain from my neck...

From the AP:

Interesting. I wonder what Barton knows that he doesn't want everyone else knowing?

I think bouncing around in a boat 12hrs a day for three days in a row had something to do with it I think the epidemic is called Coho fever!?

I dunno AM, them river banks are really muddy right now. PM could slip and fall on his ass, then his lower back would REALLY hurt!

You can't be serious with that question. Who'd be more familiar with Killian's job than his secretary? Only Killian himself.

Are you calling Ms. Carr-Knox a liar?

Rather asked her what she thought about Killian's son disputing the memos. She said he'd have no way of knowing....he wasn't there, and she was.

I'll take the word of someone who was there, before I'd take the word of someone who wasn't. But that's just my opinion.

I can't say that I'd be surprised if the son of a wealthy man somehow leaped up front to get into the TANG. Seems to me it's been that way for a long time. President Bush himself says that Kerry's service was "more honorable".

That having been said, President Bush isn't running on his VietNam experience. He'll still get my vote, because I still haven't heard much I like from Kerry on how he'd lead the nation....

I would not take the word of anyone I did not know personally in such a situation. What was the response of your teacher 34 years ago when you turned in your homework in the 5th grade? did she think you where a good kid ,a bad kid , what did she think? She spent 30 hours a week with you for 9 months I doubt that she could even recall you and if she could it would be with rose colored memories that where an amalgam of all her students.

Don't have much of the back side left after I told my wife that as of about 14:30 tomorrow she wont see me till Sunday evening. Think she'd be happy?? I'll be out along with about 4,000 of my closest fishing buds this weekend... She'll get to see me for a brief moment when she drops our daughter off for the afternoon bite.

We'll, now it's looking like Rather is having his own doubts. I wonder how much pressure it took for him to have those doubts though?

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I once stated that I would like an independent investigation of this matter to resolve it. I now relinquish that statement. To have a congressional investigation would not be a good thing. Why the rush for an investigation of this and no congressional investigation of any number of other much more important issues that would make repubs look bad. All an investigation of this would do is to keep the republican agenda in the news for as long as they wish to distract people from the content of the memo's which is the really important issue. They want to make it look like the dems are responsible for the phony documents, if they are in fact phony.

This is better done by the press and the public, IMHO. I think that way; the issues aren't going to be dictated by a set agenda. The focus will drift all over the place and finally land with what resonates most with the public. This could be construed as a ploy to keep the bad press with Bush and the Republican slander is off of Kerry. See what the current administration has taught me

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WOW Dan S,

For someone who's normally 'fair and balanced'--you really 'jumped the shark' on that one.

Look into it for yourself--Killian's son WAS there--he was in the 'Guard and stationed on the same base that Bush 43 was during the period in question.

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Pmartin,

Are you heading to Grays Harbor? If so what side?

I'll be in 8-2 and 9 for the Everett Coho derby..

Good luck PM

I bet the winning fish goes 18lb plus they are big fish this year :p

And he knows better what was going on in Killian's office than Killian's secretary?

Not buying it............

If Killians Secretary knew morethan Killians family then how do you explain the performance evaluations that are signed by Killian himself??

"A 1971 evaluation said Bush had the potential to "promote well ahead of his contemporaries" and added, "Lt. Bush's main strengths are his eagerness to participate in the unit's activities and his ability to work harmoniously with others." A 1970 letter recommending him for a promotion from second to first lieutenant called him "a dynamic outstanding young officer."

"Lt. Bush is possessed of sound judgment, yet is a tenacious competitor and an aggressive pilot," said the letter from Jerry Killian, then a lieutenant colonel in the Texas Air National Guard. "He is mature beyond his age and experience level."

"I read and helped write more than enough evals over the years"

As a wife\family member or as a secretary??


As for his secretary, anyone have a link to the interview she did where she claimed not to have any personal knowlege of GWs guard performance? Then suddenly when the time was right (or the money? or?) her 86yr old memory becomes crystal clear...

AM,
For the most part you are right, there is a lot of meaningless crap in there that tells you nothing about the individuals performance, that I feel is a waste of ink in any FITREP / EVAL, but.......
If you know anything about military selection boards, a statement from a commanding officer that says to promote well ahead of his contemporaries, is a very important statement in a military evaluation and very valuable at a selection board.

You are correct AM, I will not say that I will always vote for a Republican ( were there ever a Dem that I truely felt would be a better choice I would definately vote for him), but I will ALWAYS (and proudly) be a Navy Chief! And if Killian did lose his faith in GWB's performance, I feel confident that as a Commanding Officer he would have provided some sort of correspondance/documentation up the chain of command that was a bit more official than just telling his secretary. I doubt if she would have had much input on the LT's career progression. So if that is the case, where is the poor performance evaluation from Killian?

UM,

Dan Rather will produce a fax of the Poor Performance Eval shortly.........


Sorry, couldn't help myslef.

:D

Good one, Dan!