So which party is running on a platform of fear mongoring?? Seems it could be argued either way. Let's who can come up with the most examples and then let's analyze them and see if the fears are real, or hype...


Democrat fears being pushed:
1) GW will start up the draft
2) No-Child Left Behind Act allows the military recruiters the same access to High School students as college, universitie, and corporate recruiters. (a suposed "back door draft")
3) Christian fundamenatalists taking over the country!!
4) Losing our freedom due to things such as the Patriot Act
5) Natural disasters linked to bad environmental policies - global warming, etc
6) Election hijacking\tampering

Republicans:
1) Fear of socialism and communism creeping into our government and education system
2) Govt and Education system being taken over by special interest groups (enviromentalists, gays, women libbers, etc)
3) fear of giant tax increases to cover big government programs

Both:
1) Terrorism (kinda broad - could be broken out I guess) - actual threat = very real. Since both sides use this - it comes down to who you side with - will GW or JFKerry make things better or worse??

Anyway - I don't want to steal all the good ones - so chime in if you have any good ones

Since Dick Cheney said it I guess we have to go with it:

"If we make the wrong choice in this election, we run the risk of another 9/11 style attack."

I think this one qualifies as being directed towards fear.

I agree there is a lot of fear mongering going on which I do not like. As an optimist I always ask this question: Who will put the Country in the best position to succeed? American's perform best when faced with a challange and lofty goals that no other people in the World wish to tackle. Dare to Dream!!!

Sorry I can't add to your question but I refuse to feed that wolf!

The Democrats will abolish the Second Amendment.



Or this one: The Democrats are soft on defense.

liberalism is a severe mental disorder and if Bush/Cheney are reelected liberals will be forced into insane asylums without legal representation. Having coonservative friends will save the Eddie/Vedder wing but h2o and Stew will get life sentences in padded cells.

We could'nt be so lucky, And dont for get aunty m

AuntyM will be restricted to fishing issues where she can do some good.

this should answer the question unequivocally

this link took awhile to load, but goes right to the point of this thread

H2O - perfect. It's pretty easy to see the Bush - Cheney strategy.

H2O, that was fantastic. The part about bin Laden was perfect.

The second time I played it I closed my eyes and just listened; sounded like the voices inside the head of a few radical-right that hang out here.

Don't worry Aunty I am totally working with Gary and will be at the "crab summit" which is invitation only and should get us going in one direction..(unlike politics)..not sure what direction but we should all be working together.

Now back to the Personal Attack Channel.....


oops I forgot some folks like H2O, Stew and harley take this stuff seriously....

.You go guys!! validate each other for a few more gigabytes. Us "righties" will sign off and go do some good somewhere.

I'm sorry...was that an attempt at refuting my point I just heard?

Nope...grandpa just farted again.

I'm not impressed. That tactic can be used on the DNC or any kerry speech just as easily. For example, we could play sound bites if each time Kerry use the words "war on Iraq". It would look something like this:
"I'm for the war on Iraq"
"I'm against the war on Iraq"
"I'm for..."
"I'm against..."
...
..
.

... but the Parrot Party has been using that technique. Drives 'em nuts when it's used against them.

The more of Duelfer's report that comes out, the more we learn just how extensively the Parrots have been trying to keep us all scared with misinformation.

Goering would be so proud.

"The more of Duelfer's report that comes out, the more we learn just how extensively the Parrots have been trying to keep us all scared with misinformation."

You mean the less you read and understand Duelfer's report the more you can assume,bend and fit it to meet your needs?

remeber Before during and after the invasion clinton said the same things Bush said, So did the rest of NATO. So where they all trying to scare us?


Thursday, Oct. 7, 2004 10:04 a.m. EDT Duelfer: Saddam Kept Nuke Program in Place

Press coverage of the report to Congress by Iraq Survey Group chief Charles Duelfer yesterday has focused on what the U.S. didn't find in Iraq during it's 18 month search for weapons of mass destruction.

Paraphrasing Duelfer's report, for instance, the New York Times states categorically: "[Saddam] Hussein ended his nuclear program in 1991 and there was no evidence he tried to restart it."

But that's only part of the story as far as Saddam's nuclear ambitions went. While Duelfer says he found no evidence of a "concerted effort" by Saddam to press ahead with his nuclear program after 1991, his report makes it clear that the program itself was was never abandoned.

In fact, what Duelfer actually says is that Saddam's nuclear program was on hold - in a state of suspended animation - with scientists, nuclear equipment and raw materials standing by awaiting the green light from the Iraqi dictator.

Here's a few quotes taken directly from Duelfer's findings that didn't make it into coverage by the Times, Washington Post and other big media outlets.

• "Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability - in an incremental fashion, irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks. . . ."

• "Baghdad undertook a variety of measures to conceal key elements of its nuclear program from successive UN inspectors, including specific direction by Saddam Husayn [Duelfer's spelling] to hide and preserve documentation associated with Iraq’s nuclear program."

• "[The Iraq Survey Group], for example, uncovered two specific instances in which scientists involved in uranium enrichment kept documents and technology. Although apparently acting on their own, they did so with the belief and anticipation of resuming uranium enrichment efforts in the future."

• "Starting around 1992, in a bid to retain the intellectual core of the former weapons program, Baghdad transferred many nuclear scientists to related jobs in the Military Industrial Commission (MIC). The work undertaken by these scientists at the MIC helped them maintain their weapons knowledge base."

• "Initially, Saddam chose to conceal his nuclear program in its entirety, as he did with Iraq’s BW pro-gram. Aggressive UN inspections after Desert Storm forced Saddam to admit the existence of the program and destroy or surrender components of the program."

More quotes from the Duelfer report:

• "Saddam did express his intent to retain the intellectual capital developed during the Iraqi Nuclear Program. Senior Iraqis - several of them from the Regime’s inner circle - told ISG they assumed Saddam would restart a nuclear program once UN sanctions ended."

• "As funding for the MIC and the [Iraq Atomic Energy Commission] increased after the introduction of the Oil-for-Food program, there was some growth in programs that involved former nuclear weapons scientists and engineers."

• "The Regime prevented scientists from the former nuclear weapons program from leaving either their jobs or Iraq. Moreover, in the late 1990s, personnel from both MIC and the IAEC received significant pay raises in a bid to retain them, and the Regime undertook new investments in university research in a bid to ensure that Iraq retained technical knowledge."

In his preliminary report to Congress just seven months ago, Duelfer went into detail about some of Saddam's suspected nuclear equipment:

• "In the nuclear arena, the ISG has developed information that suggests Iraqi interest in preserving and expanding the knowledge needed to design and develop nuclear weapons. One significant effort illustrating this was a high-speed rail gun program under the direction of two senior scientists associated with Iraq’s pre-1991 nuclear weapons program."

• "Documents found outside [one] laboratory described a high-voltage switch that can be used to detonate a nuclear weapon, laser detonation, nuclear fusion, radiation measurement, and radiation safety."

• "It is this combination of topics that makes us suspect this lab was intentionally focused on research applicable for nuclear weapons development," Duelfer concluded.

King - you have eloquently stated that WMD was only one of 12 reasons that Bush gave for preempting Iraq. Why do you feel it is so important to spin and tap dance on this issue? Were the other reasons equally fallacious????

You really should quit talking to yourself, you may just start listening to those little voices.

You keep going back to your hero Clinton and NATO; why is it they all came to a completely different course of action given the same information as Bouche? And given all those wonderful quotes from Duelfer, which ones, exactly, are reasons to commit this nation to war? And you seem to have ommitted his conclusions that had we let the weapons inspectors continue we would have discovered he had no WMD producing capabilities.

Could have accomplished the entire thing without a shot being fired. Of course that wouldn't have made Halliburton's shareholders very happy now, would it.

GH - let's have Kerry address your questions... See my newest post with a cool Kerry video...

Harley,

"why is it they all came to a completely different course of action given the same information as Bouche"

How is it you and I come to different views on the same material? We simply have different world views. I see hwta I see as being right for me. You see it wrong for you. Bottom line is I pay my bill's and am resposible for my life so I could care less what you think on matters that concern me. Likewise with you. Same reason there is so much division in this country today.


We where the only one's not taking money under the table or skirting the oil for food program or advising and arming the Iraq military. Seems pretty simple. If you have your fingers in the pie you are more likely to want it all for your self if it tastes good. Secondly I have yet to see a fatwa or Jihad declared on any of those other countries or a 9-11 level attack by Islamo facisit. Making us a little more concerned about who may aid an abet our enemy. The rest of those countries do not defend a friend like Isreal making them a target for the Islamic fundies in general. You need to pick up on your reading it might help with you one dimensional view. You might loosen the scrunchie on your pony tail a bit your ignorant conspiracy bent is showing again "Of course that wouldn't have made Halliburton's shareholders very happy now, would it."

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