Vote "NO" and send this scam down the tubes like most of the other Eyman scams.

Your right PNW lets let one group of people continue to have exclusive rights that the rest of the community does not get to have. That sounds like the country I sure don't want to live in. If we are all created equal, then we should all be treated equally!
I could care less if you want to give up your rights, but I'll be d@mned if you think I'm giving up mine....................Fishy.

To all who are voting yes on this.... if there was no provision to lower property taxes would you still be voting for this?

If so, you are saying your vote can be bought on this gambling issue.

Could not have said it better myself. Eyman and the gambling corps. backing him are getting your YES vote (right?) on the cheap.

Only in America.

It's not a 'gamble' to level the playing field.

I-892 provides for "equal rights" not "special rights".

That is why I and most concerned citizens will vote YES on the initiative.

I-892 will "level this playing field."

Isn't equality something that benefits America?

PNW, are you a tribal member, or do you work for a tribe, because as most of the voting public see's it this is an equal opportunity for Established gaming places to have the same machines that the tribal casino's have. So it just stands to reason that if you are against this initiative then your a tribal member, work for a tribe, or just don't understand the initiative.
Nows your chance to come clean, which one is it?........................Fishy.

Something smells - Guess you have not been reading the other posts on this, eh?

Repeat, not a tribal member.

Repeat, I do know a little something about the non-Indian casino business, who owns them, who stands to profit from passage of this initiative, and who is paying Eymen $3,000+ per week to run this crazy campaign.

Repeat, out of country and out of State gambling companies are behind this and for a measly 35% payoff, this State (with passage of the initiative) will selll the slot machine rights to them and you will have them in every tavern, bowling alley, lounge, restaurant and... coming soon to a 7-11 near you. So we can be just like Nevada.

Level the playing field? Oh man.

If you apply this "level the playing field" logic to tribal fishing rights, wouldn't it also be logical to issue gillnet permits to any citizen who wants one?

hey chief.....The initiative , as explained in the official voters pamphlet, states that the number of devices will be limited to the same number allowed the tribes by the state. Right now there are not slot machines on every corner and there won't be if this initiative passes. The voters guide spells out in clear detail who will be able to install the machines. You've got the 35% tax right. The voters guide goes into much detail about the small administrative charge and tells about the money all going to reduce property taxes.

As far as out of state interests being involved you make it sound like the tribes are not beholding to out of state interests as well which is not so.

PNW, big deal, like your the only one with this knowledge.I guess we should all genuflect when you speak. I also know a little about tribal gaming and that they do not have to tell any state authority what or how much they make. At least with these other slot machines we will know that we are going to get 35% and we can monitor that to make sure, and let us not confuse the FACTS, No slot machines in any place that is not an establisher gaming place already, so stop telling people that they are going to be put into chuchy cheese's and your kids roller rink, get it straight before you run off at the yap!

yessir....I just saw one of those ads the indians spent $5 million on.....a real homemaker lady pleading to vote no so our kids don't have to see slot machines. Then some footage of kids fresh out of school peering the the window at people playing slot machines . Yessirreee we will have slot machines in 7-11s, schools, churches, day care centers, on the buses....yada yada yada

pnw..tell your braves that we are sick of super citizenship for them at the expense of every other citizen of this state. Join the 21st century and compete in the marketplace with wveryone else on the same playing field and PAY TAXES...

Grandpa, isn't is amazing that when someone that doesn't know what the heck they are talking about, gets called on it, they duck and run. Not just a few days ago PNW was doing alot of running off at the mouth, guess it just goes to show us all that there are some real blowhards on this board!

from one blowhard to another....

I-892 would give the EXISTING small businesses that ALREADY HAVE GAMBLING the right to compete on a level playing field with the tribes. Same EXACT number of machines the tribes are allowed would be allowed to their competitors and no more.

BIG DIFFERENCE: THE TRIBES DO NOT PAY TAXES!!!!! THE REST OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES WHO OFFER GAMBLING DO AND THEY PAY B&O TAXES.....THE TRIBES DO NOT!!!

The new initiative if it cbecomes law will impose a 35% tax on the profits from these new machines ONLY ON THE NON-INDIAN BUSINESSES.....

THE TRIBES STILL WILL NOT PAY TAXES ON THEIR MILLIONS IN GAMBLING PROFITS.

The tribes are making so much tax free cash that is not openly accounted for that they are literally buying our state government in Olympia...Think about that....Soveriegn nations using all of our services and then some that we pay taxes to provide. Sovereign nations using the bonanza of cash from gambling we allowed them a monopoly on to alter our government and buy influence while PAYING NO TAXES AT ALL.......

I-892 is no scam as PNW (chief three feathers) tried to pass off on us. It is the only measure I know of to attempt to level the playing field....To treat us all the same. The tribes control our fish and shellfish which are disappearing fast...soon they will control our government. And last but not least, gambling will continue tremendous growth in our state to the benefit of the members of sovereign nations and not to the benefit of the citizens of the state.

Only the 9th Circuit court of appeals could interpret the original treaty language and come up with mile long Indian casinos and endless nets draped everywhere.

I read the other day that the House of Reps has passed a "resolution" to break up the 9th Circuit (ban the pledge) court, mainly because people are sick of their rulings.

Grandpa, calm down I was speaking of PNW. If you read back you and I are on the same page,I was just pointing out that some OTHER people run their yap, and don't have clue as to what is really going on!SO don't take offense toward me on this one, I am sure that we shall disagree plenty in the future...........................Fishy.

I know what you were saying....just gotta figure out my sick sense of humor sometimes

After reading this whole thread I have to wonder how many people have actually READ the proposal??? http://www.secstate.wa.gov/elections/guide/text/892.pdf

Especially interesting is the following
So tell me how you will see these machines in a 7-11? Also think on that commercial that was talked about above?

I don't care a hoot about gambling. Sure I occasionally buy a lotto ticket and I might on the rare occasion drop a buck or two into one of these proposed machines but that would be it. I sure like the idea of taxing these machines though. I don't like the idea of granting more gambling licenses though. Of course I don't see how this bill actually allows that. So I still have some studying to do on this.

If the tribes and all of you protectionists out there want to stay with the status quo, then perhaps you should start an initiative to get the tribes to be accountable and pay taxes on their take at their casinos............Fishy.

Today in the mail I got a fancy and expensive looking flyer from the No on I-892 folks AKA the indian tribes...Part of the $5 million they are pouring into the campaign to defeat it.

Here are some of the quotes from it that make me sick considering who it comes from:

Gambling will bring more crime, drugs, gangs and violence to our neighborhoods. ( Is this the case with the indian casinos in our neighborhoods already?)

I-892 legalizes "electronic scratch ticket machines". Electronic scratch ticket machines are video slot machines. (DUH!!! When the tribes brought these machines to their casinos they called them the same thing...AND they have them now AND they are already legalized BUT only for the indians.)

And my favorite: " We do not believe in gambling in our neighborhoods" BS!!! They are the only ones with these machines and they must believe in them as long as they have a monopoly.

And of course as we have said before this monopoly bring in hundreds of millions of dollars and it is ALL tax free.

The tribes control your fisheries now....Do you want them to control our government next? The millions they are throwing at this erroneous campaign is just a peak under the tent....Watch if they defeat this initiative and see if they don't expand gambling that they supposedly oppose.

VOTE YES on I-892 and generate hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes to lower property taxes and level the playing field for once.

The tribes are able to operate under the same protection provided by the US government, they should have to pay into the same tax structure. Voting this initiative in will let the Established gaming establishments have the same advantages of these machines as the tribes,nothing more, not 7-11's, nor the local bowling alley. Just already established gaming places, anything other than a yes vote on this is a vote for continued racism and protestionism.............Fishy.