I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that they are not comparable. It is my feeling that the war in Iraq is an unpopular war just as the Vietnam war proved unpopular. Yep, you are right they are completely uncomparable. Wow answered my own question, your wisdom and benevolence must be wearing off on me...

Apparently you did not see the video of the Q&A session with Rummy and the soldiers. If you had you would have seen Rummy squirming like I said, not "shaking in his boots" as you insinuated I said.

Waky,

I saw it and it appears you saw what you wanted. If you want to compare one element of each war and then call them comparable it would be like saying a Kenworth and a Corvette are comparable because they both have wheels. Read up a little bit on Vietnam pup, and then come back and show me a comparison.

Aunty, Well my attempt to have decent conversation with you on the subject was certainly detoured by no other then his hindass! Sorry it went that way.

I was serious when I said I wish I could have the same sentiments as you on the subject. I have the utmost respect for people in the service. I was a Navy brat and grew up in a military household. I want to support the decisions of the commanders and our commander in chief but I have a really hard time when I fundamentally disagree.

I know that labels me as lib in the mind of some here on the board. If it were true I wouldn't mind the label as I don't think there is anything wrong with being a "lib". We have all benefited one way or another from liberal ideas whether we choose to admit it or not.

It is sad when adults (I assume most here are adults though I have my doubts) are incapable of accepting or tolerating others views. It is that incapability in our country that is further driving a wedge in America. The lame part is for those of us in the middle we feel forced to choose sides. I don't know how many others out there felt they did not have a choice between candidates that represented their values and beliefs. I know I felt short changed at the ballot box. Hopefully we can introduce a few more parties to our political process to get better representation for those in the middle.

My Kenworth has 36 inch wheels but my corvette only has 23 inch wheels. Yep, two more things that can't be compared your example clarified your point perfectly.

I am ashamed at how much my degrees cost especially now knowing I could have gotten one for 35 cents. Oh wait, stamps were only 15 cents in those days.

Waky,

Quit puffing out your internet chest and put your degrees to work and give us your indepth heady comparison of the Vietnam conflict and the Iraq war .

BTW I have owned several Corvettes which year and model had the 23" wheels :p

Great post Aunty!!!

the only thing you need to accept you dolt is that BOTH WARS WERE UNPOPULAR for the comparison to be valid. Unless of course you are the type that plugs their ears and sings 'la, la, la, la, lala' whenever someone tears their arguments asunder.

Once again your lack of skill in devloping a cogent argument on ANY SUBJECT have proven that, when it comes to education, you get what you pay for.

Don't you have some fiberglass resin to huff, I mean 'mix'?

Every idiot knows that corvettes don't come stock with 23 inch wheels. :rolleyes: Mine are custom.

But you certainly proved your point that a corvette cannot be compared to a Kenworth jut like vietnam is totally incomparable to Iraq. Maybe you should have tried to make it to your logic class a little more often.

Hey, they used guns in both wars too. I think you guys are on to something....

H20,

I could take your opinion and a pop bottle to the bank and walk out with $.05 for the pop bottle.

Waky,

So I have it straight you have a 19 inch wheel from the factory as the largest offered. Put on a z rated tire and your overall profile dia is maybe 22" max and you take a custom 23" wheel pushing your overall profile up . The Ground clearance on the car is 3.5" so it has to go up. Your are talking about rebuilding and redesigning the entire suspension. You are a moron for doing such or your are talking out your ARSE. I vote the latter.Sounds like you have a wigger Tahoe at most. You know as much about cars as a 5 year old.

Oh boy I'm busted! I know nothing about corvettes and my car knowledge is as good as a 5 year old. I'm so ashamed I owe everyone an apology for taking King Richard's lame assed example and demonstrating how absurd his assertion was. I should have never entered the corvette arena with King Richard as he is an expert on them just like every other topic to ever be discussed in these forums. I have seen the light, now if only the other 8000 board members can come to terms that King richard is the all seeing all knowing pompous ass of the world, wouldn't life be grand.

God forbid you would have used a Yugo in your example. I would have really been hosed then, my knowledge of Yugos is even less then Corvettes. Ohhhhhhh the shame!

Let me beat you to your next post Richard.

Waky,

Your knowledge of this fishing board mirrors that of my goat. There are not 8000 board members on this forum. You are either a total twit or incapable of reading numbers everyone and their pets know that the total number of people registered to this board is only 4573. That would mean only 4571 people need to see the light that I am an expert on everything and a pompous ass to boot. Since your math is so poor I'll break down my numbers for you. 4573 registered users, you are already converted -1, and I already know I'm a pompous ass thats another -1. Take 2 from 4573 and you are left 4571. Simple enough for you there Wako? I have now proven it is a verifiable fact, I know more than anyone else and I am a pompous ass!

"The Benevolent" King Richard


I may have missed a slam or two but I'm pretty sure that covers the gist of what your next post would have been. Of course I'm checking with you as you do know everything.

Wacky,

Lets hear all about Vietnam and 23" Corvettte wheels and all your valuable degrees. So far you have folded on all three fronts. tsk tsk three lies and three strikes shame on you pup!

Hardly folded on three fronts. I never claimed to be an expert on Vietnam, I simply compared the popularity of Vietnam to my perception of the popularity of Iraq. It was you who asserted that the two were completely incomparable. Why don't you enlighten the rest of us uneducated baboons as to why Vietnam and Iraq are completely incomparable?

If admitting I know nothing about Corvettes is folding well you got me. We got on the subject of Corvettes when you tried to back up your claim that comparing Vietnam to Iraq is like comparing a Kenworth to a Corvette. I don't think anyone including my daughter needs to know anything about either vehicle to understand your analogy couldn't hold water.

Obviously you don't get it. I'm a King richard believer now! I'm desperately waiting for you to tell me how Vietnam and Iraq are completely incomparable!!!!

Wacky,

"I simply compared the popularity of Vietnam to my perception of the popularity of Iraq."

First you compared Vietnam to Irag in terms of exit or motivation to exit saying it was questioning the command that motivated the exit. That is just not the case. You then side stepped made the popularity the focus. I never disagreed with the popularity issue.


"It was you who asserted that the two were completely incomparable."

They are and many many experts have made that case. The liberals tried and failed over a year ago to draw that comparison only to have been routed by historical and factual arguements. Certainly you can draw a few parallels but from front to back the differences are glaring. Namely , It is a delared war, It's an all volunteer Army, the troops support the war, the populace of Iraq supports the war without getting into strategy and politics on the side of Islamo facist and the west..

So you are saying public opinion of the Vietnam conflict had nothing to do with our troops ultimately being removed?

My assertion was and still is that public opinion had a tremendous amount to do with our withdrawal from Vietnam. I liken Iraq to that scenario as I believe public opinion on this war is and has been changing since its inception. Questioning our commander in chiefs decisions as well as those commanders responsible for carrying out the commander in chief directives is an action the public can take to express their opinion. Therefore I do not think questioning is a bad thing.

Perhaps public opinion got the troops out of Vietnam. Public opinion definately cost countless thousands of American soldiers their lives. The public sentiment and the protests they staged pushed politicians in to making decisions that the military should have made. Please be careful on this slippery slope.

That's a point well worth thinking about.

Although I am not sure I am familiar with what you are referring to when saying "Public opinion definately cost countless thoushands of American soldiers lives."? I guess I am really asking is how?

Waky,

Not at all. Public opinion definately effected the decision process and the press played a major role. It was the first war fouhgt in front of instant media like TV. Where avg. people could see images that could give them a sense of what was happening hoever biased it may have been. They tried the same thing and it has not worked to date in Iraq. They tried to effect the outcome of the election and cost several hundred US lives and countless lives of Iraqi's. Bush & company are determined not to let that happen in this war. The press role is to report the facts in an unbiased role. Then the people can make up thier mind. All the unbiased stuff I have read and fisrt hand conversations tell me we are on the right course. the majority of the Iraqi people feel the same way the troops fighting the war feel the same. Have you seen thatin the popular press? When is the last time you sa the nightly news open with American troops giving their rations and supplies to school aged kids in the streets of iraq or playing soccer with the locals? all but two provinces in Iraq are peaceful and safe with people living free for the first time in 40 years. Ever hear that from the press or Jim Mcdermott?

Wailuku:

My point was that public opinion affected military decisions on both sides.

There was a doccumentary on the history channel about the Air-war in Vietmnam and the American Pilots held in the Hanoi Hilton that demonstrated one example fairly well. In the Doccumentary they interviewed one of these pilots who actualy met Ho Chi Min while being held there (I am pretty sure it was John McCain). Ho Chi Min told the pilot that "the war would be won not in the jungles of Vietnam, but on the streets of Washington and New York". The North Vietnamese tailored their propaganda campaign to insight the population at home. They brought in American celebrities to Hanoi, and took them on guided tours of the bombed areas. They reported that the targets we were bombing were schools etc... As the war went on the North Vietnamese propaganda machine pumped out more and more redical claims. As their claims increased the violence in the streets increased. The actions of the protestors and public opinion in general undoubtedly encouraged the North Vietnamese and helped to prolong the war. That inturn cost thousands of American Soldiers thier lives.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying we should follow our leaders blindly. We just need to be careful how the message is sent.


I don't have much time today. If I get a few spare moments I will find some articles and possibly the name of that doccumentary for you.