#284032 - 11/19/05 01:58 PM
Lets' see if we can all agree on anything II.
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Carcass
Registered: 10/31/02
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Have we or have we not found WMD's in Iraq?
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#284033 - 11/19/05 02:11 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 08/18/02
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Who Says There Were No WMDs in IRAQ? November 06, 2005 10:27 AM EST While it is true that no assembled nuclear weapons or launch ready chemical/biological weapons have been found, there is no truth to the disinfomation propogated by the mainstream media which postulates there were no WMDs and that Saddam's stockpiles were all destroyed after Gulf War One. The fact is that many component parts of these weapons have been found – and they even got some mention in the press. For example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3872201.stm The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month. "This operation was a major achievement," said US Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham in a statement. He said it would keep "potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists". Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly radioactive sources" were also removed. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300530.html BAGHDAD, Aug. 13 -- U.S. troops raiding a warehouse in the northern city of Mosul uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory containing 1,500 gallons of chemicals believed destined for attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces and civilians, military officials said Saturday. Some of the radioactive materials were in powdered form which could be used for wide dispersal in a so called "dirty bomb" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html "The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-millimeter artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the chief military spokesman in Iraq, told reporters in Baghdad. "The round had been rigged as an IED (improvised explosive device) which was discovered by a U.S. force convoy."
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#284034 - 11/19/05 02:37 PM
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Registered: 11/06/05
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Originally posted by h2o:
Have we or have we not found WMD's in Iraq? The "non-spun" answer is no.
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#284035 - 11/19/05 04:36 PM
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Carcass
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they also found a hardware store that carried ten penny nails.
all of what you listed are 'potential' wmd's, in the same way that iron ore is potential steel.
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#284037 - 11/19/05 05:16 PM
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Reverend Tarpones
Registered: 10/09/02
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Bush, and Rumsfeld both say they didn't find any.I'm sure you can beleive anything they tell us.
Dosen't matter anyway. They now say it wasn't really about the WMDs anyway.
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#284038 - 11/21/05 11:45 AM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/10/03
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Keep one foot in the past at all times.
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#284039 - 11/22/05 02:52 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 03/17/99
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Loc: Everett, WA USA
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Yes lets forget the past after all what could we possibly learn from it? That the reasons the adminstration had for going to war have been proven wrong, that the prewar evidence had been fixed by the adminstration, that we would be welcomed with flowers as liberators by the Iraqies. Instead lets forget that Rumnfeld is an idiot, Chenny is a liar and GW is just plain stupid. Heard him called Chimp in charge yesterday. Yes let us not keep a foot in the past let us instead look forward. Forward to the lowest poll numbers any second term president has ever had, oh by the way Chenny's poll numbers were down also to 27% with only one in four republicans approving of his preformance as V.P. Now the republicans are eating their own. 75% of republicans do not approve of their own Vice President. The public cannot believe anything the adminstration says as they have proven time and again to be untrustworthy. Let us not forget about the current problems that DeLay is having and what about Ney, he is being investigated as a result of testiomy from a former lobbiest. Yes let us move forward and forget the past. Can't we all just get along?
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#284042 - 11/26/05 02:59 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 12/29/04
Posts: 528
Loc: Richland,Washington
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From what we know now, what were the real reasons the insiders in the Administration wanted to go to war?
From what Wolfowitz says in the quote above, different players had different reasons.
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#284044 - 11/26/05 09:17 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 12/29/04
Posts: 528
Loc: Richland,Washington
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KK,
There is a record "19 miles long" of statements from the administration pushing WMD's to justify going to war, but now we know the statements were just part of a con job to sell the war to the American people. (Wolfowitz's "bureaucratic reasons" statement as much as admits that.)
When WMDs weren't found the Administration did a little PR dance and slithered into "spreading democracy" as the reason we went to war. Anybody that knows anything about Cheney, Rumsfeld, or Rove knows that's ridiculous. These gentlemen are into personal power, not democracy.
Sec of State Powell's aide, Mr. Wilkerson(sp?), says that control of US foreign policy was hi-jacked, and the country was taken to war, by a small cabal centered around Cheny and Rumsfeld.
I'd be interested in your opinion, KK, and the opinons of other board members, as to why the characters in the cabal really wanted to go to war in Iraq? The WMD story was just propaganda. . What were the real reasons?
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#284045 - 11/27/05 12:21 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 11/06/05
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Loc: Western Washington
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To put dollars into corporate coffers... either directly as in the case of the war's "contractors" or indirectly as in the case of "free trade." Pure and simple. They got their boy in there and then pay day came. Amazing how that works.
Isn't that what most "wars" are all about???
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#284046 - 11/28/05 03:42 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 03/17/99
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Loc: Everett, WA USA
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$  $ Follow the money. Look what Dick Chenny's "old" company is making. Nearly all the contracting is going to large republican contributors. The war dogs intend to make a killing on the war, they don't have any family over ther fighting. You don't see any of the young republicans lining up to join the Marines or any other branch for that matter.
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#284048 - 11/29/05 11:09 AM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/10/03
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Seems to me Rumsfeld's idea was to cut the middleman out. I also recall that private enterprise provides better service at lower cost over the govt. running things. But alas the glass is half full and all the world is doomed.
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#284050 - 12/04/05 05:16 PM
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"TRUST US"
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#284051 - 12/04/05 07:01 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 07/26/05
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Loc: Spokane, Wa.
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Hell everyone knows that the 'Cradle of Civilazation' existed in land area between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. W and friends want to have "Freedom" radiate from the old center of things.
If you don't like that reason invent your own. That seems to be the process anyway.
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#284052 - 12/05/05 01:04 AM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 405
Loc: Port Orchard
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FYI, Some still believe/know that Saddam was working on the fringe
"Sen. Joe Lieberman: Saddam Had WMD Programs
Following up on his Wall Street Journal article Tuesday defending the Iraq war, Sen. Joseph Lieberman is reminding Bush administration critics that it's wrong to claim that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. attacked in 2003.
"The so-called Duelfer Report, which a lot of people read to say there were no weapons of mass destruction - concluded that Saddam continued to have very low level of chemical and biological programs," Lieberman told ABC Radio host Sean Hannity on Wednesday.
"[Saddam] was trying to break out of the U.N. sanctions by going back into rapid redevelopment of chemical and biological and probably nuclear [weapons]," Lieberman said, calling the Iraqi dictator "a ticking time bomb."
"I have no regrets" that the U.S. toppled Saddam, the former vice presidential candidate explained. "I think we can finish are job there, and as part of it - really transform the Arab-Islamic world."
Lieberman said that his fellow Democrats haven't taken kindly to his decision to buck his party on Iraq.
"There's been some grumbling," he told Hannity. "In Connecticut there's a 'Dump Joe' web site that has cropped up."
But Lieberman added, "I've been here long enough where, at this stage in my career, I'm going to do what I think is right."
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#284054 - 12/05/05 11:17 AM
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River Nutrients
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"Lwer cost??? With a no bid contract?????????
Lower cost than what the feds can provide. If there where others cpapble of doing the work then you would not see no bid contracts.
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