While I'm not a real handgun fan, I forsee a huge upswelling of "feel good" gun legislation in the wake of this latest tragedy.
I feel that kids that have learned gun safety and been exposed to the devistation infliced by firearms through the hunting experience, are much less likley to abuse firearms as compared to those that have only experienced this through video games and action movies.
People that are willing to commit this type of attrocity are exempt from the laws of our society.
I wish there was a real answer to preventing this type of tragedy.

It's almost impossible to prevent this type of tragedy. A sick mind will find some way to inflict death.........bombs, knives, cars, poison, not just guns. Gun control.........no. Everyone carry a gun...........no.

The news keeps trying to make the point of how to make colleges safe............again, impossible. Schools, especially colleges and universities are designed to be "open", open to learning, open to advancement, open to opportunity, and open to all. You can't shut down campuses because of a sick individual.

Plus Colleges already have armed campus police.

Already the debates have starteed on the radio. One guy wanted all foreign exchange students, especially muslims, deported because any one of them could be a potential terrorist.
Of course many nuts want every person carrying a concealed weapon and claim that would somehow reduce the loss of life.

As time goes by and these attacks become more frequent I think more level-headed people should carry handguns. They should licence them for concealment and make practice at the gun range part of their routine. If just one of those students had a gun they could have shot that fuc%er in the face and saved alot of inocent lives.

What a wackjob that kid is.....

Or arm them all and sit back and watch the massive gun battle. People dying everywhere from stray bullets.
If only all of the high schoolers in Columbine had been armed things would have been different. The school would have been swiss cheese.
Of course the percentage of armed nuts would go up 1,000 fold as well.

Actually Sol, I think it would have been better to take a Sammy Sosa full swing Louisville Slugger to the back of his head while he was reloading.

By the way, it's kind of nice to have you back.........any good parrot stories?

Im with sol If a fe people had guns this would have been a diffrent story.

I own a S&W 9mm semi-auto, and although I only shoot it on occation, I can pop the clip out and reload it in about two seconds. Those kids were screwed bigtime.

Parrot? I hate that fuc%ing bird. I came home the other day, wife and kids were gone and the parrot was loose in the house eating a deck of cards on the living room coffee table. I can't get the thing to "step up" on my finger without it biting me so I left it to do it's thing while I sat down with my lunch on the coutch to eat.

It looked at me eating, hopped off the coffee table and over to my foot and tried to step up on my foot to walk up my leg and eat some of my lunch. I wouldn't let it so the fuc%er bit my big toe.

What a fine line. The more press that sick F%$k gets the better idea it sounds like to all the other sick F^%kers out there. So you have the Rosie O's of the world pointing out the evils of guns. Then you have the "gun" guys of the world wondering what type of bullet the guy was using to inflick such an excellent kill ratio.

The avg gun owner is caught in the middle

And just like Columbine the killer was inside blasting away while the Police were outside hiding behind cover.

I dont have a CPL so I can go out and shoot people, I have it so myself & my family aren't the ones getting shot.

This is really sad and the gun lobby (anti and pro) are going to have a hay day on this. The anti's are going to call for all kinds of bans. The pro's are going to stand really firm. Both are going to look silly defending there side about guns when they should be worried about the people affected.

I dont like the fact that there was not one hero out of the crowd. Those students were prepared to do exactly what they have been told. Hide and wait for police. People theses days are told to not do anything stupid and not to confront criminals. I'm not exactly sure what I would do in this situation but I would like to think that if I had the opportunity to throw a chair or a desk at the a$$hole I would. Or try to tackle him when he went to another room (providing I dont have a hole in me already).

As parents I'm sure this is exactly what you would tell your child. "Dont do anything stupid and save your hide so you can come home alive." I'm sure you wouldn't tell your child to be a hero and stop the shooter. Hero's just emerge in the heat of the moment but I'm surprised that there wasnt one during this shooting. Maybe there was but we just havent heard about it yet.

I am at a University five days a week. It scares the sh!t out of me when stuff like this happens. I dont think I'll start packing my .357 to school. We had a student robbed at gun point in the bathroom just down the hall a couple of months ago. We also had a student murdered by by some nut job that said the student was trying to steal his ora.

We need to police ourselves a little better.

I was thinking to mention that story about the university student at U of I - It gets worse.

Appearently, this guy had a beef with a bunch of dudes that dated back to Jr High School. he beat up one kid and wound up with assult charges. He then told several of these kids that they better always be watching because someday he was going to kill them all.

Then he did it. He went on a 6,500 mile spree killing two and shooting another in the face 3 times ( he lived) he had several other targets picked out as well.

Pretty interesting story of one sick F^%ker

http://www.idahostatesman.com/102/story/78231.html

Thats the guy I was talking about in my post. I park my car about 150 yards away from where the student was killed. Apparently the nut job used to live in the dorms afew years back. The University had to get a restraining order put against him for starting fights and abusing other residents in the dorms. I'm glad they caught that fu%ker. I'm also glad the virginia shooter removed himself from the gene pool. It will be great not to have to go through the media circus behind this guy when he would have to go to court and all the appeals and BS.

The shooter popped himself in the head at or about the time the cops tried to get in to the building (and failed).

The shooter was well prepared. He chained and pad-locked the front door.

No idea how long the initial front-wave of police had to wait until a set of bolt cutters showed up.

Apparently, the police showed up pretty damn fast once the first 911 calls came from that 2nd location.

Don't know how many cops carry a set of Bolt Cutters with them while they charge in to battle.

The picture of the doors I saw on the news with students locked on the inside were glass doors for christ sake. Can you say "shoot the fuc%ing glass out?"

Here's a just released photo of the perpetrator, Cho Seung-Hui.

Think cop on the Simpsons

" Whoops.. one door locked.. I guess my work here is done"..

If it was a meth lab they would have been crawling in every window

Yea, dude on bottom right would not fit through that window.. bet he is hell on wheels around a breakfast buffet however, and a fine speeding ticket vendor.

Crap.

The photo I posted was NOT Norris Hall.

So far, this is the best shot I can get. Don't know if this is a side door, or front door.



From what I can gather and see, that appears to be the front door of Norris Hall.

No glass. Typical solid doors found on university type buildings. You could shoot that door all day long and still not gain access inside.

So far, after the initial 911 call at 9:45, officers responded immediately but were confronted by barricaded and locked doors at Norris Hall, but were able to gain access within 1 minute.

Shots are still being fired on the 2nd floor during this access.

By the time officers arrive on the 2nd floor, shooting stops. Shooter is dead with a self-inflicted bullet hole to the head.

Sounds like the police did everything they could and as fast as humanly possible.

Back to the "bad tactical move " comment

Our troops over over seas ( past - present and future) did not have the option of deciding what would happen to them. They simply did the job they were asked to do.. Arlingtons full of men who knew they had little or no chance going in. It was their job and their duty. I view law enforcement the same way.

Thousands and thousands of times one American has looked at the other and said "lets do this thing" knowing full well that it was probably going to be the last thing he ever said on earth.. and did it anyway because it was part of the big picture.

Now we get to pay for a lengthy trial

Besides, this isn't the movies. You don't go charging in hell bent unless you are begging to be blown away or want a lot more civilians dead or taken hostage. Look at that school in Russia. You don't want to be arrested by Russian police as they have much more leeway to beat or kill you. But still they couldn't stop the shooters before the damage was done. This type of thing with someone willing to take their own life, as with Terrorists, is almost impossible to combat.

Who's going to trial Dave? The obviously troubled kid was his own judge, jury, and executioner. Expect another movie from wack-job Michael Moore and another big push for "gun control".

Ike

Maybe he was referring to the mountain of lawsuits against the university?

Not one of you knows me from Adam, nor do you know how I would react, regardless what I say here. It's all just talk.

But I pretty well have figured out that I want Sol on my side when the chit hits the fan.

I know I don't panic and I don't run...may be the end of me someday, but I'm way ahead of the game to this point and I kinda like who I am.

I try not to despise those who refuse to fight, as long as they don't try to convince me to do things their way. To them I'd like to say, "Just shut up and reap the benefits, and try to realize that someone else is doing your part."

Cops are great, but they also are reactionary, which means they act after the fact. No other way to do it. I won't be shot cowering under a GD desk, and if others get hurt because somebody stood against the perp....sorry.

Slab, your the hero that wasnt there yesterday. I dont think physical interference of a single shooter would harm any more people and possibly save some. Seems like he acted fast and any interuption may have saved a few. Throw a book, chair, tackle the son of a bitch. They all did what they were taught, hide and stay alive. In this case it made them non-moving targets.

They just upped the body count one more.

No one was compelled to do anything because the new generation in college has been raised to be PC, liberal, and above all cover your own a**. Don't believe me? Check out the enlistment notices in your local papers.... A vast majority are enlisting in the air force... By doing this, they think they will be shielded from the violence that is currently taking over the world. By being in the air force, they believe they will be safe and secure on some big airbase somewhere.. That being said, My oldest son IS in the airforce, and he is not assigned to some cushy, secure safe job...
He is currently in Iraq, doing what has to be done as a member of an elite Air force counter-insurgency unit, charged with finding, fixing, and destroying those fools who are dreaming of 72 virgins...Point is, our younger generation(with the exeption of MEN like my son) are a bunch of milktoast, tittysucking babies with no concept of the sacrifices that their grandparents had to make to ensure our freedom. I'm not surprised to see that no one stood up to the psyco that shot up V.T....Hiding under a desk will ensure you will live, but can you live with yourself, knowing that you could have possibly changed the outcome? Wanna flame me? Go ahead, cause I have thick skin...

I've heard a lot of big talk on Conservative talk radio and on the fishing boards about how no one stepped up and stopped this creep. There are undoubtedly some who have been confronted with tough situations and have reacted "heroically". However, until you have been faced with the situation, you really don't know how you will react. I will always remember performing CPR on someone and having to push my way through a crowd of 30 to 40 people who were watching this guy die. You just don't know how you'll react until it happens.

Yup, a gun in the face can do weird things to the brain. Just like telling your body to breathe the brain say's RUN!
Slab, given some of Sol's posts are you really really sure you'd want him sitting next to you with a loaded 9 MM?

Fight or flight. Fight or flight

Ok, with all the cop bashing from Irie, B-Run and Stam, I felt it was my turn.

Pre 04/20/1999 (Columbine) Police were trained across the country to secure a scene and wait for SWAT when there was an armed and barricaded suspect. The armed/barricaded suspect has a huge tactical advantage, so patrol officers were expected to wait for the boys with the big guns.

Post Columbine training and expectations have changed. If there is an "active shooter" situation, police depts across the country are training and implementing entry teams to address the shooter, expecting to take casualities.

With the time frame that parker lists, it looks like that's what was done here. Every year there are multiple examples of police across the country confronting an armed suspect and not "hiding behind a tree." I could list several examples from Seattle alone from the last couple years. Anyone remember the capitol hill shootings from 03/06, how about Broadway that same year.

I'm a big boy and don't get my feelings hurt from criticism even if it is inaccurate so, bash on

I heard today that there was a 75 yr old Holocaust survivor that was killed while trying to save the students by blocking a door. Man, there's a lot to read between the lines on that. I hope the old man had kids. What an inspiration!

Also heard that a couple of students managed to hold a door shut against the perp successfully. It just goes to show that it's easy to paint with too broad a paintbrush. At least two students got stronger. I'm sure they were terrified, but the terror didn't control their actions. Good stuff in a very bad situation.