Anybody besides me think that this clown is a Muslim plant?What do you think?

Even as a Republican, I wonder if he is just really a good politican, doing whatever he thinks the people want, as opposed to doing whatever the big corporations want. I liked clinton, though I disagreed with a lot of politics, because in the end he just took the middle road and tried to keep every one happy. Example... Said he wanted gays in the military, then took the dont tell approach. Kept the liberals at bay, without really changing anything.
In the end, I am more worried about having a mormon in office. If I am wrong about this, please tell me where, but this is my understanding of Mormonism. While most mormons I know are really nice people, you can't ignore the fact that they believe in direct revealation of God, trumping any and all other written or traditional beliefs. What this means, is that if you are a true believer, You believe that the head prophet is God's direct spokesperson. Take in to account that they feel this direct revealation can change any written belief, then you have the potential of a presidentail candidate that may believe that he must do what ever the Prophet says, and that could actually be anything. It is different than almost any mainstream religion, in that muslims and christians generally look to the written word to check on the oral word. In other words, while interpetation may change the way the religion is used, generally if the bible contradicts the a religious leader, people can choose and are actually told to ignore the leader. While there are still extremists, this is not the norm. In Mormonism, the norm (requirement) is to follow the word of the prophet without any restrictions. If he contradicts the bible, this is cause the bible is wrong, or God has changed the application. If the book of Mormon is contradicted, then God has changed his mind about how he wants to do something, or some other excuse is used.

Any time there is no absolute, the potential for abuse is present. In Mormonism the only absolute would be the word of the Prophet. It is just as scary as a Devout Muslim who believes that his leader is the only person who can interpet the Koran and therefore believes what ever he says. For that matter anyone of any religion that does not have the ability to draw his or her conclusions from an absolute scares me. You might not like christians or moslems, but at least the absolute from which they should be drawing there conclusions is open for you to look at. Then it is up to you to decide if you like how that person is interpeting those absolutes. In other words, we are electing the person who will be deciding how he believes, not a person who is supposed to let another person decide how he believes.

I know this is a lengthy and not well written post, but hopefully someone can understand what my concern is.

I heard that Chelsea Clinton asked a returning vet from a tour in Iraq what scared him the most and he replied that he was scared of only 3 things:

1) Osama
2) Obama
3) Your mama.

Clinton just gave gays in the military a different name. They used to be called " Sailors "..

Are you saying Obama is a Mormon ?? Oh where is TheKing when you need him. I live in the shadow of the temple ( Idaho has more Mormons per capita than Utah ) Its not a religion, its a Cult. I have many Mormon freinds ( My wifes family is Mormon ) and if you get into the inner workings of that cult, you will find some serious thinking flaws. They are without question some strange ducks. Example: A man is a God on earth, the woman is his servant, and can only go to this God on earths Kingdom if he askes her too. I could go way into it but in short, they are basing their beliefs on what a drunken loser had someone else write ( J Smith was Illiterate ) Its a cult about men for men written by men. The soccor moms in this country get wind of a few of these facts, and dude is done. They have changed the rules and beliefs to suite their economy so many times its a joke.

All on the theory that there are solid gold tablets buried in New York that were given to some dude named Smith about 150 years ago, and nobody can see them you just have to believe they are there. ( The guy would sit behind a curtain with rocks in his eyes ( seeing stones) and tell this other guy what to write. The other guys wife read what they were writting and was so freaked out she took the writings and hide them. They had no choice but to kill her because they had to start over, and if the original surfaced and contradicted the current version, he would be screwed) Its all very intersting stuff in a train wreck sort of way.

A devout Mormon man, views all other men as future fireballs in hell. Only Mormen men will be going to their concept of heaven ( your own personal kingdom) and non mormon women are viewed as less than that. Its goofy as a football batt.

My wifes Grandfather and Grandmother were very devout Mormons.. dead serious about it and spent hours and hours explaining and trying convert me. Old Granpa was a Bishop, and once he got rolling it was almost evil. I pulled a hit and run and hauled off a pretty hot chick from a life where you serve your man and no questions asked. Start pumping out kids and doing what your told. She could line it all out for you, but from about the age she could walk and talk she was filled with this crap every single day. Her Granpa teh Bishop spent a ton of his time praying for individual dead people and believed if he did that they would in fact be concidered converted to Mormonizum post humis. How screwed up is that ??

Obama is a Mormon ??? He has ZERO chance, hell, it was only a short time ago that Obama could not even be a Mormon because he is not white.

If your a Mormon and your offended, sorry about that. You raise good familys with totally screwed up beliefs, and your beliefs are offensive to every single other person in the world that conciders themselves " Christian".

For a good read pick up a copy of " Momma and me".. Spooky.

Mitt Romney is the morman not Obama. As for Obama being a muslim plant - no, I don't believe that.

So what do you think of Bush? Was he a Halliburton or Enron Plant? What about treason in the outting of CIA operative involving his administration? Did You vote for GWB and feel that he represents the character of a President of your choice? Do you feel that all Muslims are your enemy and you want them all dead? Do you feel that Iraq had WMD and was a participant in 911? Do you feel it's OK to continue to occupy and kill innocent civilans (women and Children) in their own country if our reason for justification were based on lies? Would you consider Bush a clown? Does Race automatically qualify a candidate to Clown status in America?

Anybody beside me think that this thread smells racist and advocates fear and distrust? Is this thread a plant to attract racist, and foster ignorance and further division in our Country?

I agree with what Aunty and Krijack said. He's (Obama) kinda like all other politician. Doing what his handlers tell him, and as a good politican, doing whatever he thinks the people want, as opposed to doing whatever the big corporations wants as Bush so obediently does..

I probably won't vote for Obama, but it won't be because he is the clown of the bunch. I remain an Independant, but leaning more towards Republican Fred Thompson at this time, unless he screws up and does a McCain.

Not trying to start anything, but had to seek more clearity with your intentions for his thread.
My .02

I'll give it to Obama...I've read a few of his speeches in my leadership class, and some more on my own. That man can write some damn good speeches, and can blow people away witht hem...
As of how good of a politician he cuold be, that I'm unsure of...

Nookie is either attempting to 'stir the pot'... purely for entertainment purposes... or he's a victim of conservative talk radio would be my guess.

9 replies so far should help bolster his self-esteem when it come to the subject of killing threads.

If you even think of voting for him, understand the Koran first, then you can make an informed opinion.

Even if you're just pretendin' to be informed... you'd know that he isn't even Muslim... so what good would understanding (if that's even possible???) the Koran do?

Maybe some folks just gotta pretend a little better...

And even if he was muslim????????????????/

Sounds like a JIHAD on the PPBB.

When a group of religious zealots declare " Death to all non believers" and sends their own people to their own deaths to accomplish that goal, Yes I do distrust them and their backward religion. Has nothing to do with RACE.. Yea, I'm conservative, but I don't listen to talk radio, conservative or liberal. I don't care what his race is, but his religion is something we ALL need to be afraid of. I don't think we should be in Iraq. I am not a right wing zealot, but if someone's religion tells them to kill me, my family , my countrymen, I'm certainly not going to vote for a candidate who was raised Muslim.. Bush is nothing more than a corporate puppet.. Clinton is just as scary as Obama.If she gets in she'll hand over the keys to the kingdom. I only hope Fred Thompson does indeed run, as he has my vote.. Not trying to "stir the pot "for my own amusement. Just wanted to hear what other people thought about "that fresh-faced young Democrat" that has all the liberals hearts aflutter.

He's a fresh face. He's young and smart. He speaks very well.

That should get him some attention.

But it's early, and there's many a slip twixt a cup and a lip. Remember how late in the game it was when Bill Clinton appeared on the radar?

Whether he was raised in a Muslim home is of no concern to me. It's what he believes now that counts. We used to believe in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny. That was then, this is now. If you haven't learned anything and changed your views on anything since you left mom and dad's house, then your head is in the sand.

At this point, my ideal race would be between Fred Thompson and Bill Richardson. But I'm not even paying attention yet.

John Lee, I didn't refer to any race other than the one for the president.

The one thing about Obama is that we now have an African American citizen that appears to have more integrity that Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. I recently read a column by Clarence Page that brought this up. It seems that when ever an issue of race comes up, such as the Imus fiasco, Al and Jesse are the only visible people that are quoted. Their strident bleating has made them worse than no voice from that part of our racial organic stew.
Would Ivote for Obama - yea maybe but it's way too early to even think about it.
The Fugs had a song back in the '60's that said that we end up voting for the lesser of two evils - somethings never change.

I'd take Obama over Hillary any day....

A man with integrity is precisely who we need in office, and a man with integrity knows this is true. I am convinced that The Esteemed Mr Thompson is just sitting back, waiting for the rest of the fools to hang themselves, ready to jump in and lead us all back to the path of righteousness, and back to the place where our great nation should be. Leaders of the free world. I along with many many others are hoping he will announce his candidacy. Fred Thopmson in '08!

Nookie,

Barak went to a muslim school for a few years as a child, as his family lived in a predominately muslim nation, muslim schools are their equivalent to catholic schools in the western world. Obama is a self proclaimed christian. Keith Ellison is the guy that I think you should be losing sleep over, (if you're afraid of mulims, anyway) he was sworn in on the Qur'an.

The USA is not ready for a black president, the USA is not ready for a woman president. And Edwards is too vanilla. I think you all should take a close look at Mr. Thompsons positions on issues and you might think twice...