I got somethin' you can test for hardness and penetration riiiiiiiight here.

Classic.

Well, in the end you would need Duk Yong Kim ( phd, went to school for 3 more years than you dId and had a 4.0 GPA , never partied, has zero sense of humor and drives a Honda Accord even though he makes 120,000 a year) double check your work..

However, Edward Demming is a God to me.

Diver, had this conversation come up while we were fishing this summer only one of us would have made it back to the dock.

Hey, at least the dude (DiverX) is bang on with his grasp of the physics behind this issue.

That hurts my feelings. Here's the equation that shows how my feeling are hurt...

Time for this thread to evaporate.

Fp=Fcos(theta)

Please, God, make it stop.

Or the friquin granite grouper refusing to budge. That will straighten even a OWNER.

Seems to me this Owner cutting point didn't "cut loose" on ya, stam.



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It helps if you don't rip a vagina sized hole when you set the hook young man.

Must be somethin' in that Enumclaw water that stimulates animal attraction.

FNP, you just beat a bunch of us to that one..

Just barely....

Speaking from 45 years of fishing experience here the cost of the hook shouldn't matter when you are fishing just as the cost of the booze shouldn't matter when you are drinking. Buy the best you can afford of both. On a bad day of fishing and you hang up a lot you might be out $20 on hooks for a chance to catch a fish. Are you going to save $10 and risk not landing a fish due to cheap tackel? If you are fishing springers and you loose a fish due to a bad hook was it worth the money you saved? The cost of your tackel is usually little compared to everything else. Personal testing done while fishing puts Owner Cutting point at the top followed by Gamis in octopus style hooks. Gamis 510 are on all my plugs and most of my jigs are on Ganmi 2X. Vince have at it but I'll still use what I am using until something better comes along.

I wasn't clear when I wrote "Wouldn't a hook perform better, i.e. have superior penetration AND maintain the integrity of the hook bend (not open up) if the wire diameter would thicken where the stress is greatest during the fight? "

What I was asking was if the wire was of different diameter at different points, would it help the solve the problem of balancing penetration versus hook strength. The area of a hook bend where the deformation occurs seems to be far enough up the bend (say about midpoint of the hook bend, up to where it meets the shank) that any additional thickness shouldn't interfere with penetration.

I was following the discussion just fine. I just wanted to restate my question so it was clear.

I'm glad that not every thread gets as nasty as this one. The wife won't post on here because she's afraid to ask questions and then have someone call her stupid for asking. As it goes, my skin is not much thicker than hers.

VHawk

I can't recall her ever aksing a question and someone calling her stupid?
I think if you ask stupid questions, expect stupid responses.
If you ask good questions, expect good responses, and at least a couple stupid ones, at least here anyways That's the internet for ya....
I'd rather test the knowledge here over any other site, anyday.

Vince, you got skin like an Alligator. Never say otherwise. The vast majority of this B.S is just funnin ya, some food for thought is included along the way.

I wasn't rippin' on ya, Vince. I sat though many a class over at the UW thinking I knew what the prof was scratching on the chalk board only to find out at test time I had no fuc%ing idea what he was talking about. That's what I ment.

"What I was asking was if the wire was of different diameter at different points, would it help the solve the problem of balancing penetration versus hook strength. The area of a hook bend where the deformation occurs seems to be far enough up the bend (say about midpoint of the hook bend, up to where it meets the shank) that any additional thickness shouldn't interfere with penetration."

It might not interfere with the penetration, but it would surely just move the "weakest part" of the hook to another location...not remove it...

For instance, if the weakest point is on the bend of the hook, it may deform quite a bit before failing...if you remove that weak point, making say, the point the weakest link, it may actually fail sooner than if there were a weaker point on the bend.

Perhaps this is too obvious, but at what pounds of pull the hook fails at may not be nearly as important as where it finally fails...a flexing or bending hook bend may actually work to keep a fish hooked, whereas a stiff bend may actually cause the failure somewhere else on the hook...again, too many variables to test in the lab, IMHO.

Fish on...

Todd