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#377698 - 09/28/07 12:22 AM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? *** [Re: Kid Sauk]
lovetofish365 Offline
Hahahaha haha ha

Registered: 04/07/07
Posts: 1870
Loc: Silverdale WA
still think its a Coho...c
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#377720 - 09/28/07 01:57 AM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: lovetofish365]
coho1234 Offline
Fry

Registered: 04/29/06
Posts: 29
Loc: Surrey, B.C.
I'd bet my left nut that its a coho!

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#377722 - 09/28/07 02:21 AM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: coho1234]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12618
With all of the collective knowledge posted on this thread, it proves only one thing... OK two...

1) A bunch of you don't know what the f**k you're talking about.

2) The rest of you just got lucky.

I just hope that if any of y'all come out my way to fish in the next month, enough of you can figure out which big-spotted, olive/bronze/gold tinted fishies ought to be released to prevent fishing deep into escapement.
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#377732 - 09/28/07 02:47 AM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: eyeFISH]
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Three Time Spawner

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 1585
Loc: Gig Harbor, WA , USA
Geez Doc, don't you ever go to sleep (looks whos talking). ;\)
Only a few more days now, too bad I won't get to practice at LaPush this weekend with the big ocean predicted.

Steve
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#377740 - 09/28/07 03:26 AM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: FishNg1]
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Registered: 01/11/07
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Loc: in the mass production zone
this is a after thought, but came up with it at work this evening. some thoughts or members, said fish was a hybrid. correct me if'en i'm wrong. hybrids are sterile, right? meaning do not breed or spawn... if this was a hybrid it had no bizzness returning to a river. it would have stayed in the salt just getting bigger.
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#377763 - 09/28/07 10:57 AM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: Brewer]
eyeFISH Offline
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Registered: 11/24/03
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When the species are related closely enough and the habitat they occupy has considerable overlap, the sterile hydrid vigor theory you speak of may NOT hold true.

I believe there are naturally-spawning rainbow-cutthroat hybrids in some of the most famous SW tailwater trout fisheries.
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#377769 - 09/28/07 11:26 AM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: eyeFISH]
milt roe Offline
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Registered: 01/22/06
Posts: 917
Loc: tacoma
We had chinook/pink hybrids returning to the UW hatchery back in the 1970s. They called them "chinks" and they were sexually mature, but perhaps not fertile. No reason this one couldn't be a coho/chin hybrid. I saw an identical fish (clipped) last weekend from the S Sound.

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#377846 - 09/28/07 04:29 PM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: milt roe]
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Registered: 01/17/04
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Loc: Sheltona Beach
I hear you. That first image shouted Net Pen stray.
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#377936 - 09/29/07 01:39 AM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: ]
Queets guy Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 10/21/06
Posts: 205
Loc: port orchard, WA
My vote goes toward chinook becuase them spots on the back are rather large for a ho.

Jake

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#377971 - 09/29/07 12:39 PM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: Kid Sauk]
Krijack Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 06/03/06
Posts: 1534
Loc: Tacoma
You Know, The spots on top of the head look a lot like an alantic, but the ones on the back look like a king. Every Alantic I have seen has those big round spots on its cheek. Rather than a King/Coho it looks a little like a king /alantic mix, which could make sense since any pen stray would have a hard time finding a mate. Otherwise I would actually take the logical conclusion and call it a coho. Really does look like it could be a hybrid though.
I just saw a WDFW poster that claims the definitive character between chinook and coho is the gum line, so I would say its a definite keeper under the states eyes (when open). Since it would ahv eto be a jack anyway if it was a king, I wouldn't feel real bad about keeping it anyways (again, if open for coho).

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#377972 - 09/29/07 12:54 PM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: Krijack]
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Registered: 02/11/03
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Loc: Bainbridge Island WA
for the record, that is not an atlantic.
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#377978 - 09/29/07 01:34 PM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: ]
cheapskate Offline
Spawner

Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 601
 Originally Posted By: blue water pro
That is a nice looking fish. Best identifying characteristic of a Chinook is teeth set in black gums. This fish has white gums. Chinook also have heavily spotted tail fins and I don't see that. This must be Coho unless the Alantic - Salmo Salar have white gums. Does anyone know what color their gums are? The Atlantic salmon have escaped from offshore fish farms and are a threat to the native Pacific salmon populations. It could be Alantic but I think Coho. No way Chinook.


Atlantic Salmon usually (always?) have big black spots on their gill plates. These spots are not present in the gill plates of the fish in the pic

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#378014 - 09/29/07 08:08 PM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: cheapskate]
ClearCreek Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 149
Loc: Mtn. west
The fish appears to have a shortened opercle (gill flap) which can be a symptom of stress - being raised in a hatchery for instance. Could just be the angle of the photo, but it looks shortened to me.

Is it possible the fish could have been raised under stressful conditions?

ClearCreek

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#378015 - 09/29/07 08:23 PM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: ClearCreek]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12618
Good observation CC... it most certainly had an underdeveloped operculum on that side... the other side was perfectly intact with no exposed gill filaments.
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#378036 - 09/29/07 10:08 PM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: eyeFISH]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Yeah.

I noticed the operculum thing too.

No, really.
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#378059 - 09/29/07 11:37 PM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: TBJ]
GBL Offline
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Registered: 01/31/05
Posts: 1862
Loc: Yakutat
Scales, Spots, color--Jack King

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#378062 - 09/29/07 11:46 PM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: GBL]
TBJ Offline
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Registered: 01/08/07
Posts: 2199
Loc: Bainbridge Island
It's a coho jack, the experts have weighed in give it up.-TBJ
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#378068 - 09/30/07 12:02 AM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: TBJ]
Neal M Offline
The Enemy

Registered: 12/13/99
Posts: 2742
Loc: Bainbridge Island and Sappho, ...
Hehehhehe... Dan said orperculum...
No way in hell that thing is an atlantic. I'm still saying chinook Jack, although the new pics make me wonder just a bit. Don't much care what the experts say on this one. Good post FNP.

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#378075 - 09/30/07 12:51 AM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: Neal M]
stlhdr1 Offline
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Registered: 01/26/00
Posts: 6312
Loc: Vancouver, WA
How do you make a chinook jack out of that fish... That's it. Tomorrow I'm going to take a picture of a king jack when we land one. It should help solve the question....

By the way, what's our fearless leader say it is?? Bob??

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#378079 - 09/30/07 01:38 AM Re: Jack Salmon... coho or chinook? [Re: TBJ]
eyeFISH Offline
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Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12618
 Originally Posted By: TBJ
It's a coho jack, the experts have weighed in give it up.-TBJ


If it were that clearcut, I would have never bothered posting the pic. or I would have posted this one instead:



Over 250 votes and so far it's about 3:2 chinook.
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