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#387890 - 11/10/07 11:20 PM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
ParaLeaks Offline
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Registered: 01/11/03
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The way I heard the ruling that this topic has morphed into ....and KK will love this \:\) ....is that when campaigning lies are acceptable.....when elected they are not. Sweet, isn't it? No one really expected to be able to discover the truth PRIOR to electing someone did they?

On the original topic.....it's the BUDGET that drives taxes....the initiative restricted the budget growth (not counting people-imposed levies, bonds, and lid lifts....also new constuction) to a one percent increase over the previous year. It doesn't matter worth a crap WHAT your property is valued at, as that figure is multiplied by a levy rate (old term was mil rate) to generate the amount needed to supply the budget. Here's an example: If everyone's property was valued at half of what it is worth, then the levy rate would just double to make the same amount. The key to value-based taxing systems (also called ad valorem) is equity, that is, are houses that are similar to each other valued the same? The problem with ad valorem taxing systems is that there is no allowance for ability to pay.....unless you are old and poor. It's kind of like the government's MO is to tax people into the poor house and then put them on a program.

One of the wasteful things that get my goat is the "spend it or lose it" policy of budget requests by departments. There is no "Here. We didn't need all that money, so put this back in the General Fund."

One more thing that really irks me is that some people (exempted seniors, for example) who don't have to pay for certain taxes, still get to vote on them. (There's a little hint in there for all you "simple majority" types.) \:\)
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#387988 - 11/11/07 03:33 PM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
blue_jay Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
Posts: 456
Loc: LOL
 Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
 Originally Posted By: blue_jay


The facts of the matter is the great machine you might probably just hate called corporate america pays 90+ percent of all the taxes in this country. The real burden is upon them.


http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=264

Facts are funny things bj.
You should get some before you post next time.
Fact is, corporations paid, in 2004, about 10% of tax revenues collected at the Federal level. If you add in the 50% they pay (all employers pay) of SS tax, the total would be approaching 27%, or there abouts.

If you add the SS tax all employees pay (same rate as employers pay I might add) , to the revenues generated by individual taxpayers is about 67% of federal tax revenues.
I'll caveat that number though, seeing as 'Social Insurance' taxes may include other taxes outside of SS, therfore reducing the proportionate share corporations paid.
I'd dig into it further, but I have to work.
See, I own a corporation........

The info is available all over the place. I just had this chart bookmarked for the time frame it covers.


90%.......... hardly...........not even close.

Next.

KK


Wrong again KK, IF you've watched the latest news from the IRS you would know just to start out the top 1% pays atleast 39% of the taxes in this country. Those are the people running corporate America - you know private citizens own companys right??? You need to get the data and not bend it.

It's easy to see how the left likes to do that considering how white lies and bending the truth has worked recently. Exampe: Ask Hillary Clinton a question and get 3 different positions.

You also mentioned:

 Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid

On another previously mentioned topic........
What WA Supreme court did when ruling on political ads, is follow the US Courts ruling after the Fox case, where Fox claimed they were not required to be truthful in their broadcasting.

It's a good thing they won, or they'd be out of business.......


I read the entire dissent and concurence on the WA Supreme Court decision and not one peep about FOX news, el-wrongo again. Another example of people trying to bend and push their own political interests. The idea there was a split decision 5-4. The states highest court didn't want to get involved in controlling political ads.


Getting back on track...

It's pretty sad these days when millions of people can vote and have a voice only to get the laws they voted to inact reveresed by YET another 5-4 decision...how funny. People are sick and tired of taxes, hearing about taxes. Everytime you turn around they want more money for special interests.

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#388246 - 11/12/07 05:19 PM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
blue_jay Offline
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Just go to irs.gov and check out the lastest reports.

Once again it doesn't take a genious to figure out the general consensus amongst the general population believes we are already paying too much in taxes.

Would you like to pay more? You claim you own a business don't you? How about a flat tax? Do you feel guilty like Warren? LOL

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#388259 - 11/12/07 06:06 PM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: blue_jay]
wntrrn Offline
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 2562
Loc: Edmonds
I for one would like to see us all pay substantially more in taxes. Especially the rich and the not so rich and everyone else. That way our government will be able to disperse it "fairly" amongst everyone. There won't be the incentive for me to work my ass off to succeed with my small business because my wonderfully thoughtful government can just provide for me those things I need (or should I say, those things they think that I need).

After all, it shouldn't matter how hard you work to get ahead. Because someone else is working just as hard to be provided for (by you and me).

Sorry, no facts or statistics in my post. Just an opinion from a guy who lives in Seattle which is in King County which is in the lovely state of Washington. A triple dose of take this tax and like it.
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#388269 - 11/12/07 06:22 PM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: wntrrn]
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LOLOLOL

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#388331 - 11/12/07 09:31 PM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
Dave D Offline
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Can one of the mods reduce the wicked wok picture attached to BJ's auto signature.
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#388356 - 11/12/07 10:24 PM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
.....including a Chum in a avatar..... \:\)
LOL


I hope it doesn't get locked yet, it's just starting to get fun. \:\)
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#388367 - 11/12/07 10:37 PM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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You can always shave your palms, but you can't do anything about the blindness...........



Trust him, stam. He's got plenty of experience with this stuff.
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#388368 - 11/12/07 10:42 PM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: hohbomb73]
Sol Duc Offline
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KK. you sound more like a socialist everyday! You're just mad cuz Foxs news is blowing away your poor little CNN and all the other abc channels out of the water! People are finally realizing the biased media, that is why FOX news ratings have been soaring... It must kill you Libs...... lol


Edited by Sol Duc (11/12/07 10:43 PM)
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#388371 - 11/12/07 10:54 PM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: Sol Duc]
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 Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
KK. you sound more like a socialist everyday! You're just mad cuz Foxs news is blowing away your poor little CNN and all the other abc channels out of the water! People are finally realizing the biased media, that is why FOX news ratings have been soaring... It must kill you Libs...... lol


Duc,

I think I love you......LOL

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#388381 - 11/12/07 11:47 PM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
Big_Daddy
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"I did not have sex with that man"

"I am not gay" (not that there is anything wrong with that)

I just like to play hand hockey in the men's room

LOL

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#388397 - 11/13/07 12:41 AM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
Sol Duc Offline
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" You two get a stall"......KK that was funny lmao
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#388437 - 11/13/07 08:26 AM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: Sol Duc]
blue_jay Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
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Obviously IF people really believed these commies the dems would be the ones controlling talk radio lol

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#388699 - 11/14/07 12:17 AM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
blue_jay Offline
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Loc: LOL
Rush is awesome, just like Hannity, Levin, Savage, Gambling, Medved, Beck, Sytman & Boze & many more just like them. It's a shame more people don't listen to them. It would be a bummer if someone like Harry Reid wrote a letter to their networks signed by 40 or more prominent leftist members of congress asking them to fire someone like Rush because it's having such little effect on them.

Nah...they wouldn't do that would they?

Freedom of Chums, errrr speech FTW!!!

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#388707 - 11/14/07 12:45 AM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
blue_jay Offline
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Loc: LOL
lol why all the love? I know I'm a minority in King, Pierce & Snohomish County. Well we still don't know for sure, didn't Dino Rossi lose after the third recount called up by Gregoire's Supreme Court cronnies by like 112?

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#388709 - 11/14/07 12:48 AM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
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Rush is awesome, just like Hannity, Levin, Savage, Gambling, Medved, Beck, Sytman & Boze & many more just like them.




Yeah.
Awesome.

Taking over for Blades this week, are you?
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I said "baby, what's the goin' price?" She told me to go to hell.

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#388711 - 11/14/07 12:57 AM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
Big_Daddy
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 Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
 Originally Posted By: Dan S.


Taking over for Blades this week, are you?



The Republicans are in stall number 3.............. \:\)


I heard the Democrats rented out the basement of the Honey Bucket. LOL

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#388721 - 11/14/07 01:34 AM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
Satan Offline
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Registered: 08/22/06
Posts: 1821
Loc: Around the way


You only missed out one detail Abu.....Limbaugh should be bent down searching for his lost Oxycontin pills. The Merg one cracks me up Hahaha!!!


Edited by avid angler (11/14/07 01:34 AM)

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#388738 - 11/14/07 02:20 AM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: Satan]
LoweDown Offline
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Registered: 08/07/06
Posts: 1759
Loc: Forks, WA
Maybe Bob will post that one on the top of the Forum, like he did Tbirds pic of Sol, stam, and Midget Leather Vince.

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#388758 - 11/14/07 09:42 AM Re: "You are too stupid!!" [Re: ]
blue_jay Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
Posts: 456
Loc: LOL
 Originally Posted By: Abu-Loomis
...Later


Jake


For some reason I knew that was coming lol
LOL payback coming later...That is a good one though haha


Edited by blue_jay (11/14/07 09:43 AM)

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