" But not the same way the citizens of Darfur sleep. Or the way the misidentified "John Doe Muhammed's" sleep, locked away in secret gulag's without benefit of trial. Or the way the Bill of Rights sleeps now that we have Dubya protecting us. We can all sleep well, after all his intentions are good."

As I've said before, we were wrong to invade Iraq before trying to work with sanctions and diplomacy. At least we could have come into the country and cleaned house (with the full UN support) when he actually had his WMD programs up and running so we didn't look like complete imperialist jackasses.

As far as our being at fault for the mess in Sudan, this is not primarily our problem. the only difference between that country and all the other brutal regimes engaging in warfare in Africa, as we all know, is oil of course. Let Europe settle it.

Some people would like to believe that the Imperialist US is the root of all evil. Lets work on getting this regime out of office and get a moderate in there, I dont care from which party at this point.

Does anyone think we should provide military intervention in Sudan? That's the last thing we need. So far all we have done is supply non-weapons equipment to the side we like and 300 million in humanitarian aid. You know that place has a bunch of oil (which still makes the wheels go round and round)

I agree that prisoners detained by the US should get trials and a chance to prove they are not terrorists.

Since I'm one of those guys that deals with the rights of citizens on a daily basis.. rest assured that unless you are a terrorist and the feds are looking for you, you are safe in this state. Our BAR associaton likes to brag that this state offers everyone protection against guys like me.

Finally, I am very lucky in that I know many people who have served/worked in Iraq. I am also lucky that my work has sent me to a lot of training in this area, to include seminars led by international experts.


Here is a run down on one I went to hosted by CNN (not exactly a right wing news group)

1) The US should get out of Iraq soon and let the Iraqis control it however they need to and quit whining about being too rough. And, start a meaningful dialogue with Arab countries.

2) Part of that is to withdraw direct support from Israel, this is pissing off everyone there, The Israelis can take care of themselves. Although it should be noted that we have been a moderating influence on their harsher policies towards their Arab neighbors.

3) Quit running around the world trying to control everything. Just work on trade and good stuff. Except we might have to wack a few dictators here and there who threaten that.

There, from someone who is definitely less than a genius, and knows there is a lot more to these issues that we will ever be aware of, is something that one doesn't hear very often from either side. A solution.

I think it's great that more Americans think globally. I remember a very drunk Irish woman I talked to once during a domestic. In a brief moment of lucidity, she looked right at me and said "you Americans are so full o' yerselfs."

She was right, I think.


I am an independent.

I wonder why Dumbya didn't think of that.

I still say we should hand Iraq back to Turkey with a big apology for our British Friend's actions back in 1918.

The Turks know how to handle sectarian fundamentalist nutjobs to protect and secure a secular state.




The USA? We elect ours to public office:

Blue Jay,

Your post should be in the LOL thread where it would be a perfect fit. I understood you were conservative, but I didn't know you were a certified right wing neocon whackjob. Or do you just write like one? If so, good work.

Sg

GoingFishin,




It is a notable inconsistency in the right wing argument that we went into Iraq to remove a brutal dictator, but we do so very little to stop a genocidal regime in Sudan. That is why I pointed it out. There is a strong fact based rebuttal for every excuse given for why we went into Iraq.

Whether we should go into Sudan is immaterial at this point. We don't have the resources to continue with the obligations we already have.


Blue Jay, I'm ready for another fairy tale. Tell me again how Saddam was going to force Islam on America by choking our oil supply. Is there an ogre named Shrek in that one? Leave the lights on when you tell it, it's really really scary.

The political view that Blue Jay presents here is IMO, undenyable proof of the power of right-wing talk radio to cloud the sensibilities of an otherwise moderately intelligent, reasonable individual. Assuming of course that the individual is pre-disposed to posessing the 3 core values of modern conservatism, fear, hatred and intolerance... which it would appear that Blue Jay indeed does... in abundance.

Hell... just go down the list of points he's tryin' to make... it reads like a page outta the Limbaugh letter or the official RNC talking points bulletin!

It's weird too? For a guy that does so much laughing out loud?

That Koolaid is some good [censored]....LOL????

I hear what you're seein' dude. I'm lol'ing on the outside and col'ing (crying out loud) on the inside.

Its not my fault your side trys to minimize serious violations of International law and squander it away by munipulating the reality of the situation via the Clinton News Network and MSLSD. The media has always been a great source of the ol' smoke and mirrors show. I'm thinking you also would sleep right through Iran using a nuclear weapon on Isreal. Yeah those gas prices at the pump at $6/gal would put you right to sleep. Oh you must row to work right living down near the skok. my bad.

I wonder how many other countrys around the world have used secret prisons that give their prisoners of war the same rights as their citizens....hmmmm lol

ahhhh yesss, getting very beddy sleepy now...naptime....yawnnn!

IF that were the case then 50% of this country must listen to talk radio and let radio develope, shape and mold them into right wing zombie huh? While the other half watch Katie Couric and Keith Olbermann but thats far from reality. Katie Couric will be lucky she ends up on the home shopping network next time. What is it about the left that thinks the right is all about fear, hatred and intolerance. Intolerance to raising taxes, Fear another Clinton might let another 911 happen maybe. But hatred I just don't get.

I can LOL anytime I want to. I take politics with a grain of sand. But I love to argue with the leftards.

Hurt me baby!

No just a reference to flooding. I'd fish in my front yard too if I could.

Let's hear your take on fiscal conservatism and how it relates to the republican party these days. Seriously..

Boot_jay has been eating mushrooms from his bathroom floor again. LOL

I didn't say I agree with everything they do.

Nothing like a green king for an avatar!

Right back atcha....later! lol

I like them river perch! They are fun no matter what color they are as long as they take down a shrimp tipped jig under a float.

Because they fight good and there's a place about 2 miles from my house I can catch them with the possibility of also catching a chrome silver or two.

Safeway?

MSLSD...I think I took some of that once.

Oh yeah and Boot_Jay is some funny chit

Yeah no kidding!

How is the GOP fiscally conservative at all? Unless you mean dumping out the treasury into the arms of American War Profiteers?