One of the things that makes the least amount of sense to me is why we didn't secure our borders after 911. They were and, still are, a freakin seive.

Hitting the Taliban had the entire world behind us. People for once after 911 happened started thinking beyond their next good meal, beer oor dope, orgasm, or good movie or whatever and started to realize a lot of folks in the world really hate us.

Instead we invade Iraq, an already contained threat. It was kind of funny how at first the threat from our armed forces quickly had Libya contrite and Iran seeking to appease us. Then, when they realized we were not going to accomplish the goal of transforming the country, they became completely emboldened.

I wonder what will happen there when we finally leave. Who will fill the power vacuum? As it stands now, Iran is a likely candidate, as is Turkey, and maybe even the Saudis. None of whom really want radical islam to take over. Even the Iranian Ayatollahs were starting to act moderate until we rejected their diplomatic peace gestures?!?!.

It is just now becoming known that Iran assisted us greatly in toppling the Taliban. But, as they say, they are a state which sponsors terrorism.

BTW, even the non-Fox news stations are reporting progress in Iraq. I wonder how they measure that? One less bomb a day? It's a damn bloody, nasty civil war we stirred up.

Here's the ethics question: Now that we have, do we owe the people there some chance at establishing order, or do we just get the hell out? As far as I'm concerned there is not a damn thing over there worth a f-ing pimple on an American's ass. Shiat, we can't even get gas under 3.20 a gallon for all that invading and taking over an oil rich country was worth. At least that would have made a wrong kind of sense.

Irie,
My father lived through all that (Grandpa was SS). And while he hasn't compared Bush to Hilter, (he is getting old and isn't following politics the same) he has often compared how America's general tendency to follow is much like Germany's. After 911 I could see how he felt that way. The scariest thing I have heard is "well , if you aren't a terrorist you don't have to worry." I always ask conservatives if they would feel the same way about the Bush's policies if a democrat was in power. That always weems to get them a little upset.

Ok I have more stuff to say then....lol

BJ, you missed my point apparently. is it ethical to start a civil war in a country and then abandon the people that want you there and pull out without trying to shovel a little manure first?

Thanks for educating me, I had no idea it was the damn Sierra Club to blame..lol I realize the Chinese love cars now as much as we do.

Anwar is a fragile wilderness environment. If you do the research you would see t hat Anwar oil would be a bandaid at best. Oil is running out. Let's not f the place up just to get a few more years out of it.

Hey BJ--

While people have the right to drive what and how they want. I agree something needs to be done for the future. IMO I believe hydrogen is the wave of the future.

So I will do my homework and vote for the lesser of the evils because our candidates are all full of [censored],as usual.

LOL

while agree'd on the fact that the candidates are full of it
i don't believe there is a "lesser" of the evils as they are different heads on the same monster
if ron paul makes it through i may vote for him or maybe kucinich
either way, if everyone keeps voting for the typical candidates it will be the same song and dance per usual

Fuzzygrub,
Kucinch!!!!! To me, he seems crazy. Just my personal opinion. Put him in the dem position and guarantee yourself Republican Pres. How many times has he run anyway?