OK ya got me, I feel sooooooooooooooooooooo bitter right now lol.

Hey between the both of you I could borrow those chin pads you wear and put them on my knuckles to keep them from getting scraped up.

Use of Larry Craig in this thread prior to your comment -1

LOL

When I hear these comments from the left I realize that they are just jealous they never figured out they could meet people in the airport between connecting flights first.

The most negative, racist, narrow minded conservative I ever met was my father in law. He did not like me, felt my wife had allowed his family gene pool to be polluted by her marrying and having a child with somebody that was a half breed Indian and would not even acknowledge our son. Try and explain to your 3 year old kid why Grandpa doesn''t like him. He did the best thing he could have done, as far as I'm concerned, and blew out his brains with a .38 after getting a DWI. Then he screwed that up and lived for another 12 hours in the hospital and left me to deal with the aftermath.
Luckily, his only son has not bred so the pure Anglo family gene pool is effectively dead. I still sleep with his daughter.

I knew there was something different about you!!

"I knew there was something different about you!!"

You just figured that out? I actually speak to you. That shoulda been enough!

Ya, I guess your right on that one!

The only thing you'll get from me out of my screen name is the bird. Careful when you start to invent stereo types derrived from one man in a bathroom stall when your side defends the liberty therein itself. Nice try though.

"Or you could just go find your pal Larry Craig in a stall and do what you do best. Suck for conservatives."

"We can't help it if there are so many conservative latent homosexuals on the defensive all the time."

Why I oughta...

Sincerely,

Larry

Larry just can't stay away. The thought of a BJ from BJ must have just been too much!

"I did not have toe sex with that man!" <--- I just caught that... too good.

This thread is a perfect example of the "aggressive ignorance" often practiced by stalwart conservatives...it's also known as embracing the "dream world" rather than the "reality-based world"...

Carry on with your ignorance and dreams...and remember, it's always someone else's fault, and we can kill 'em for it.

Fish on...

Todd

I'm gone for one day and this thread gets to this?

People discussing politics and suicide as common threads with linked causes.

Todd displaying his split personality.

Things starting to get way to serious and ugly.

You know a thread has taken a couple wrong turns when a lockdown threat occurs on the "Dark Side"

This one's been a dooooooozy.

LOL I may have to change my name again damit. You are right though, people like Craig need to step up and just join his log cabin buddies. The rainbows appear on both sides of the fence. But then again what do I know? I'm just programmed by Rushbo every day and can't think for myself. Hold on hannity is coming on...I've....got...to...tune...in....

Irie,
I did my college thesis paper on the effects of church attendance on abortion rates. Grabbed the top states, rated church attendance as reported, rated church stance on abortion, rated reported abortion rates. After watching my church freinds screw around as much or more than anyone else, I was puzzled by the lack of pregnancies. Could the stigma of an out of wedlock pregnancy cause more abortions? In the end, I was limited in what I could do, but the overall conclusion was while it did not appear to cause more abortions, it certianly did not cause less. If I remember right, salt lake city had and still probably does, have one of the highest abortion rates around. You pointed out the rates in the bible belt.
Not sure about the domestic violence rates though, that would actually shock me. Maybe among regular church goers, but probably not as high among fundamentalists as you think. The reason I believe this is most fundamentalists don't drink, at least not heavily. It is my belief that a high percentage of spousal abuse is done while intoxicated. Could be wrong, but that has been what I have seen. There are some fringe fundamentalist groups that may advocate spousal abuse, but this is not the norm. People who try to justify use the verses relating to the wife being subserviant, but somehow miss the verses on "loving your wife like christ loved the church" (ie. sacrificing everything, including your one life.) My interpetation of biblical doctrine of spousal order is the husband being in charge to make the decisions that no one wants to make, and always making those decisions to the benifit of the other family members first. If done right, the wife would not have to worry about letting her husband make decisions, since he would always be putting her welfare in front of his; and of course, taking her in as a full partner for input in decisions. -where did this thread start???

"My interpetation of biblical doctrine of spousal order is the husband being in charge to make the decisions that no one wants to make,"

If you consider the decisions that no one wants to make being the big decisions and the wife makes the smaller ones then this is inline with what Bill Engvall says about his marriage - He and his wife agreed that she would make the little decisions and he would make the big ones and that so far he hasn't had to make a big decision.
That's the way it's been in our house for 35 years. I didn't realize we had such a traditional biblical marriage.

Who let those last two posts in here? All nice and collegial, and even humorous without being offensive or overbearing.

Take that crap somewhere else. You guys are ruining my life.

Just kiddin, nice job turning the tone around.

VHawk

Krijack--Some good points but I think this thread has devolved far beyond reason and intellectual discussion. One of the more recent studies I found published was the one linking alcohol availability and domestic violence and the other was unmarried couples and domestic violence. When the two are intertwined, such as a scenario of Blue_Jay's mom's new "friend" getting hammered on Monarch Whiskey and slapping them up and down the singlewide, it paints a pretty clear picture of the possibilities.
The Abortion angle is something I hadn't considered, but makes perfect sense since almost every girl I know who's had one was a church going Catholic. But that doesn't bother me in the least. The more Conservatives choose not to breed is not something that should be criticized or discouraged in anyway such as the Abortion Protesters that turned Blue_Jay's mom away from the clinic door those decades ago discouraged and thus prevented her from ending her pregnancy and dooming her as a single parent to raising a child with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
But you do bring up the good point that in a perfect world there wouldn't be any Domestic Violence, that everyone would put other's needs ahead of their own, but that's not the world we live in, at least not as long as we have Conservatives in it who's greed & self-interest is so Dogmatic it's part of their public political platform.



VHawk, love the sigline

Satan herself could be the next President........

LOL Nyce