Too bad it's not their own.

Article Link Here


"... The study's authors claim that there have been, on average, 17 percent more suicides when Tories were in power during the twentieth century.

The report concludes that "roughly 35,000 . . . people would not have died had Conservative governments not been in government. This is one suicide for every day of the century, or more appropriately, two for every day that the Conservatives ruled."

The British report was actually an editorial (published without peer-review) in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, which published a similar Australian study in the same issue. The Aussie group from the University of Sydney had similar findings, with a 17 percent increase for male suicide and a whopping 40 percent increase for females during periods of conservative rule. They concluded: "Conservative ideology traditionally is less interventionist and more market oriented than that of a social democratic ideology. From a Durkheimian perspective, increased anomie (decreased connectedness or inclusiveness), is thereby more strongly associated with conservative ideology."

"That is," clarifies Richard Taylor and his colleagues at the University of Sydney, "if hopelessness is a necessary but not sufficient condition for suicide, the regimes that offer less hope to the bulk of the population will also increase the probability of suicide in groups that have pre-existing or newly acquired risk factors for suicide."

Yes lowering those taxes and living with morales causes people to kill themselves.

Make sure you jump from the highest point of the bridge to be effective.

What? No this can't be true. I mean I can't imagine a President who has provided more hope, more inspiration, and happiness than President Bush. And not just in our country, but all over the world. And not just for the rich, but for poor people as well.

I think Vice President Cheney is the impetus behind the support for poor people. He likes to send them on long vacations with a promise he'll pay for college if they come back alive, and without a brain injury. He's a swell guy.

Sincerely,
Larry Craig & Ted Haggard

I think you meant Gonzales, not Morales. Attorney General Morales was the guy from Texas who swindled hundreds of thousands of dollars from the public. Morales was charged with 12 counts of mail fraud, conspiracy, filing a false tax return and making a false statement on a loan application. I believe he was Texas Attorney General during Bush's reign as Governor.

Gonzales is the guy who sanctions torture for the Bush administration. It's very effective to win hearts and minds by beating them out of someone's body. Another tool to bring happiness to the world.

Hey now! don't go all and play out of the highway all at once!

I knew a Larry craig comment was coming lol.

your right stam Lets take a good look at were you live..... you liberal boys are totally amazing... YOUR IN A DEMACRATIC CONTROLED STATE, So Why DID YOUR TAXS GO UP..... it should hurt it really should.

Oh and if libs are so fricken smart. Why are they killing them selves????????????????????? Seams to me there a bunch of pussies.

It ain't the libs that kill themselves. Conservatives have a higher rate of succesful suicide because they tend to isolate themselves even further due to their philosophy on depression being a personality trait and not an illness. They tend to self treat with a bottle of booze, and finally a bullet.

So if you want to be rude about it, I can take the high road and offer you free neo-con mental health treatment...a bottle and a bullet for yourself.

Hey while your at it, why not forward this to decorated war vets who are suffering from depression, or maybe to the families of those soldiers who have succesfully committed suicide. I'm sure they'd enjoy reading what you thought of their kids.

VHawk

Oh, only conservatives have "morales". You do realize that is insulting and intellectually dishonest, right?

Conservative Christians also have a higher rate of divorce, teen pregnancy, and domestic violence. Go figure.

I had an English teacher, nay an instructor, in 7th grade that got up in front of our class and proceeded to tell us that the difference between agnostics and atheists was that atheists are immoral, agnostics are amoral. This in a public school no less.
I guess to Conservatives, it's not immoral to lie, just to not accept their beliefs.

Esai?

Really V spunk why don’t you PROVE that statement that you made there. post up some links and back your ass up for once with facts. Not from no liberal media but true medical and scientific studies.



Suicide Is a F#$KED up thing there bro But your trying to put a spin on this coversation. It has nothing to due with suicide of our vets. The point the way I saw the remark made was because of conservative power. See look at this


So You see there V Spooge pull your head out and try shooting strait for once. Has nothing to due with the war vets. And for your information, I have degrees in counseling, and still help many people. And to top it off I had a wife shoot her self over a miscarriage. And it was a chicken [censored] way to handle it. It’s a sickness cut and dry and to blame one political position is just plain BS.



Ya candy ass why don’t you try and deliver that bullet. This kind of looks like a threat, and that’s how I’m seeing it. So you better clarify your point there buddy. And if it is, let me assure you, I will be glad to oblige your wimpy ass, I love a good ol roll in the dirt, especially with a loud mouth like your self, and I haven’t lost one that I can recall, so you better be shore your ready for that dance.






All rite there Irie now that V spooge is out of the way. Lets say you post up the link to prove that one. Common your so ept to blue Jay to prove every thing. put up or shut up bro.

Now whys that? its good to be showed you wrong it makes you grow so accept it K

Aix Sponsa


My door is jammed, why don't you come over and kick it in for me. Then I'll give you what your due; that overdue abortion your momma forgot to get.

Dumbchit, you really think I threatened to shoot you in that original post. I offered you a bullet and bottle of booze so your ignorant, illiterate azz could do the job yourself. I even offered it for free, but screw you. I'm gonna bill you for it now.

Oh [censored] I just saw you had a degree in counseling. Oh I hope your not billing for therapy. Medicaid fraud is a felony.

Why don't you show up down on the Big C in May. We can have a lil roll in the sand, and in public. Having your azz kicked might provide some therapy for the rest of us.

I'd post the link to the report that cites political affiliation as having a possible causal effect, but the recent report that started this thread has absolutely polluted the google searches.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_KKNsIKhGoGk/RjXt...Rates+%2704.jpg


Suicide rates in red states took up 9 of the top 10 spots in per capita suicides in 2004. Leading the way, Alaska, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado, Idaho, and West Virginia.

Lowest rates of suicide per capita? D.C, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Rhode Island.

i see jimmy / the good christien he proclaims to be? is on the internet again posing as a smart fellow now hahaha
wants to roll in the dirt too
great way to frame that degree in counseling
or finish off that giant "L" tatto on his forehead
LMAO i see some stuff never changes

Way to go there therapist. Did you tell you wife to suck it up and quit whining before she shot herself? Did you tell her that being depressed was just liberal chickenchit weakness? Which one of your multitude of mail order diplomas did you point too when you said it, to prove you were right?


Thanks KK. I'm sorry to hear that our resident waterboy is all talk. I'd love to beat the holy spirit out of someone, but in a legal and friendly way. He seemed like a good candidate.

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Appears to me that adding up all the previous IQ's together wouldn't result in a two digit number. This whole thread is an embarassment.

MODS!!

Vince,
I think you are right on the fact about conservatives dealing with depression differently. I have heard many times that depresson is just sin and if you are right with God you will just be happy. It makes me sick. I actually knew a guy that went of the deep end and killed his wife. One pastor I knew told me it was because he had started on anti-depression meds then stopped. My guess is that it had more to do with the fact he actually stopped. Ideas like that are what makes christianity and Christians look bad to the rest of the world. Even if a person were to feel that way, it would be much more biblical to keep their mouth shut then offend everyone.

I can't even tell who is serious and who isn't anymore... but in a good way.

http://www.keepersofthecage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=984

HEY VINCE HERE WE GO YOU GAME There always looking

wow looks like most the ones you listed are democratic
http://www.geocities.com/dtmcbride/politics/2000-results.html

LMAO again

LOL... this can't be real.

Lots of great stuff here. Let's see...



Hahahahahaha [censored] you......

What the flock are you saying? I'm sure your parents are proud of you for trying to use your words; now try and use them like big people. People with learning disabilities are hitting their heads in frustration trying to understand your gibberish. The rest of us are directing the short bus to your house.

Do you even read your own BS?

Republican States
State ECV % votes Difference
Bush-Gore
2000 2004 Gore Bush Nader
WY 3 3 28.3 69.2 2.1 40.9
ID 4 4 27.6 67.2 2.5 39.5
AK 3 3 27.7 58.6 10.1 31
MT 3 3 33.4 58.4 5.9 25.1
CO 8 9 42.4 50.8 5.3 8.4 †
WV 5 5 45.6 51.9 1.6 6.3 †
NV 4 5 45.9 49.5 2.5 3.5

According to your link I mistook New Mexico for a red state. However it was actually almost a dead tie.

NM 5 5 47.9 47.9 3.6 -0.06

Oh baby Jesus help you. You are completely clueless. And your a therapist? No freaking wonder the ER crisis center keeps so busy. Probably all your freaking former clients.

BEST BE QUIZET VINCE DUDE
or i'll come kick your ass
you too kaiser
not funny at all avid
you guys best be looking out
i'll get ya
i'll get ya all

lmao

It is political. It's also a social and cultural thing. All of it being tied together. Therapists that tell others that suicide, or having suicidal thoughts are the cowards way out, all they do is further isolate people in need. Truth is, the most courageous actions I've ever seen anyone take, is admitting in public they had struggles with depression and suicide. And more importantly, that they sought professional help. Or should I say, they sought help from competent professionals.

People who are ready to kill themselves can be frighteningly quiet and passive. The cold and darkness that has engulfed them will sometimes spill over and touch those who linger within an intimate distance. They live in a place without heat, and where they feel no person can quit reach out and touch them. Hell is not fire, it is not screaming and wailing of millions of souls. Hell is a quiet, black void, where no soft warm hands will ever reach out for yours. Now wake up after 3 hours of sleep feeling that way every single morning for 6 months. That is what suicidal depression feels like. It has nothing to do with being brave or being a coward.

And people like Aix who talk out of both sides of their narrow little mouths offend me with their ignorant attitudes. The sum of their ignorance makes it harder for people to get real help. Andrea Yates killed her kids because she was married to someone just like Aix. Yea it makes me mad.

I don't know how Aix has time to be a part time therapist, part time taxidermist, and full time dipchit. That's a full load to carry in the back of those britches.

Male veterans have a suicide rate double the civilian population.
http://www.pdx.edu/news/14708/

Current young vets (ages 20-24), returning from the Middle East, have nearly twice again the suicide rate of previous vets.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/13/cbsnews_investigates/main3496471.shtml

We're going to be living with the fallout from this war for a long, long time.

Sheesh guys! I know you guys lost the last pres. election, but c'mon now, lets let by-gones be by-gones. Don't worry your superstars are just around the corner that wil come to save you from all this oppression like a knight in shining armor! People are just a little bitter around here because their elected congress still has no control and as you can see it clearly stabs at the bleeding hearts.

I'd also like to point out the tax thang in this state is laughable. Even though dems have raised taxes all to high hell in a hand basket they still can't figure out what to do with it except stamp cement leaves on the side of freeway ramps and overpasses and talk about a train.

Remember suicide is not the answer!

Dems = glass half empty
cons= glass half full.

LOL

Fixed it for ya'.

Aix, you asked for it you got it!


DIVORCE RATES AMONG CHURCH GOING COUPLES:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ifm_divo.htm

"The effect of religion itself on marriage stability:

The slogan "The family that prays together, stays together" is often seen on billboards and magazine advertisements. But this may not be accurate:

There has been much anecdotal evidence that has led to "unsubstantiated claims that the divorce rate for Christians who attended church regularly, pray together or who meet other conditions is only 1 or 2 percent". 2
A recent study by the Barna Research Group throws extreme doubt on these estimates. Barna released the results of their poll about divorce on 1999-DEC-21. 4 It was based on interviews of 3,854 adults from the 48 contiguous states. The sampling error is within 2 percentage points. The survey found:
Divorce rates among born-again Christians were much higher at 27 percent than for other Christian faith groups.
Atheists and Agnostics have the lowest divorce rate of all: 21 percent.
Divorce rates among Jews were highest of any religion sampled. In order of decreasing divorce rates were: born-again Christians, other Christians, and Atheists/Agnostics. More information.
Dr. Tom Ellis, chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention's Council on the Family said that for truly "...born-again Christian couples who marry...in the church after having received premarital counseling...and attend church regularly and pray daily together..." experience only 1 divorce out of nearly 39,000 marriages -- or 0.00256 percent. He doubts the accuracy of the Barna poll, noting that "Just saying you are Christian is not going to guarantee that your marriage is going to stay together." One must make a full commitment to God. "

TEEN PREGNANCY RATES US TOP 20--Welcome to the Bible Belt:

http://www.stopthereligiousright.org/biblebelt.htm

TOP 20

1....TX......106
2.....NM......104
3.....DEL.....102
4.....AK...100
5.....ARK.....87
6.....GA.......85
7.....ALA.....84
8.....NC.....84
9.....OR.....84
10....TN....82
11....KS...79
12....NY.....78
13....KY.....77
14....CO....73
15....SC.....72
16....LA.....69
17.....ME.....69
18.....MISS.....68
19.....WVA.....68
20....OHIO....67

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AMONG CHRISTIANS:

The is literally mountains of books and papers on this one. Most written by churches and clergy on how to best address what seems to be Christian Americas' biggest embarrassment. But what I found deep down in the dogmatic bowels of Christian Fundamentalism I think says it all about hard-core christianity and beating one's wife:

http://christiandomesticdiscipline.com/Home.html

It was kind of like a monkey trap. Put something irresistible in a hole with nails facing inward so when the dimwitted little knuckle-dragger reaches in and grabs it he cant get his hand back out and doesn't have the brains to simply let go...So you set them up and they keep themselves stuck in the trap (of their ignorance) while you club them over the head, in this case with logic and facts.

I was president of my Debate Club back in high school. Unless Im drunk, I don't post crap I cant back up with evidence to support.

Sorry if that's all your high school debate club has to champion then bwahahahahahaha

Still bitter about exposing yourself as the ignorant knuckle-dragger you are?

OK ya got me, I feel sooooooooooooooooooooo bitter right now lol.

Hey between the both of you I could borrow those chin pads you wear and put them on my knuckles to keep them from getting scraped up.

Use of Larry Craig in this thread prior to your comment -1

LOL

When I hear these comments from the left I realize that they are just jealous they never figured out they could meet people in the airport between connecting flights first.

The most negative, racist, narrow minded conservative I ever met was my father in law. He did not like me, felt my wife had allowed his family gene pool to be polluted by her marrying and having a child with somebody that was a half breed Indian and would not even acknowledge our son. Try and explain to your 3 year old kid why Grandpa doesn''t like him. He did the best thing he could have done, as far as I'm concerned, and blew out his brains with a .38 after getting a DWI. Then he screwed that up and lived for another 12 hours in the hospital and left me to deal with the aftermath.
Luckily, his only son has not bred so the pure Anglo family gene pool is effectively dead. I still sleep with his daughter.

I knew there was something different about you!!

"I knew there was something different about you!!"

You just figured that out? I actually speak to you. That shoulda been enough!

Ya, I guess your right on that one!

The only thing you'll get from me out of my screen name is the bird. Careful when you start to invent stereo types derrived from one man in a bathroom stall when your side defends the liberty therein itself. Nice try though.

"Or you could just go find your pal Larry Craig in a stall and do what you do best. Suck for conservatives."

"We can't help it if there are so many conservative latent homosexuals on the defensive all the time."

Why I oughta...

Sincerely,

Larry

Larry just can't stay away. The thought of a BJ from BJ must have just been too much!

"I did not have toe sex with that man!" <--- I just caught that... too good.

This thread is a perfect example of the "aggressive ignorance" often practiced by stalwart conservatives...it's also known as embracing the "dream world" rather than the "reality-based world"...

Carry on with your ignorance and dreams...and remember, it's always someone else's fault, and we can kill 'em for it.

Fish on...

Todd

I'm gone for one day and this thread gets to this?

People discussing politics and suicide as common threads with linked causes.

Todd displaying his split personality.

Things starting to get way to serious and ugly.

You know a thread has taken a couple wrong turns when a lockdown threat occurs on the "Dark Side"

This one's been a dooooooozy.

LOL I may have to change my name again damit. You are right though, people like Craig need to step up and just join his log cabin buddies. The rainbows appear on both sides of the fence. But then again what do I know? I'm just programmed by Rushbo every day and can't think for myself. Hold on hannity is coming on...I've....got...to...tune...in....

Irie,
I did my college thesis paper on the effects of church attendance on abortion rates. Grabbed the top states, rated church attendance as reported, rated church stance on abortion, rated reported abortion rates. After watching my church freinds screw around as much or more than anyone else, I was puzzled by the lack of pregnancies. Could the stigma of an out of wedlock pregnancy cause more abortions? In the end, I was limited in what I could do, but the overall conclusion was while it did not appear to cause more abortions, it certianly did not cause less. If I remember right, salt lake city had and still probably does, have one of the highest abortion rates around. You pointed out the rates in the bible belt.
Not sure about the domestic violence rates though, that would actually shock me. Maybe among regular church goers, but probably not as high among fundamentalists as you think. The reason I believe this is most fundamentalists don't drink, at least not heavily. It is my belief that a high percentage of spousal abuse is done while intoxicated. Could be wrong, but that has been what I have seen. There are some fringe fundamentalist groups that may advocate spousal abuse, but this is not the norm. People who try to justify use the verses relating to the wife being subserviant, but somehow miss the verses on "loving your wife like christ loved the church" (ie. sacrificing everything, including your one life.) My interpetation of biblical doctrine of spousal order is the husband being in charge to make the decisions that no one wants to make, and always making those decisions to the benifit of the other family members first. If done right, the wife would not have to worry about letting her husband make decisions, since he would always be putting her welfare in front of his; and of course, taking her in as a full partner for input in decisions. -where did this thread start???

"My interpetation of biblical doctrine of spousal order is the husband being in charge to make the decisions that no one wants to make,"

If you consider the decisions that no one wants to make being the big decisions and the wife makes the smaller ones then this is inline with what Bill Engvall says about his marriage - He and his wife agreed that she would make the little decisions and he would make the big ones and that so far he hasn't had to make a big decision.
That's the way it's been in our house for 35 years. I didn't realize we had such a traditional biblical marriage.

Who let those last two posts in here? All nice and collegial, and even humorous without being offensive or overbearing.

Take that crap somewhere else. You guys are ruining my life.

Just kiddin, nice job turning the tone around.

VHawk

Krijack--Some good points but I think this thread has devolved far beyond reason and intellectual discussion. One of the more recent studies I found published was the one linking alcohol availability and domestic violence and the other was unmarried couples and domestic violence. When the two are intertwined, such as a scenario of Blue_Jay's mom's new "friend" getting hammered on Monarch Whiskey and slapping them up and down the singlewide, it paints a pretty clear picture of the possibilities.
The Abortion angle is something I hadn't considered, but makes perfect sense since almost every girl I know who's had one was a church going Catholic. But that doesn't bother me in the least. The more Conservatives choose not to breed is not something that should be criticized or discouraged in anyway such as the Abortion Protesters that turned Blue_Jay's mom away from the clinic door those decades ago discouraged and thus prevented her from ending her pregnancy and dooming her as a single parent to raising a child with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
But you do bring up the good point that in a perfect world there wouldn't be any Domestic Violence, that everyone would put other's needs ahead of their own, but that's not the world we live in, at least not as long as we have Conservatives in it who's greed & self-interest is so Dogmatic it's part of their public political platform.



VHawk, love the sigline

Satan herself could be the next President........

LOL Nyce

That's funny!

2 fat thighs, 2 small breasts, and a bunch of right wings...reminds me of Rush when he was high on Oxy.

...except that Rush has double-D's...mmmm...tasty!

I know ainx sponsa, hes the most pathetic unemployed loser there is, snitch for the game department, hes mooching off his friend right now living in a camper on my buddies property with a extension cord with a heater and his windows open in the camper running up a large bill for my buddy and surprise loser Jim has no money to pay him

How did I miss this one?

I saw V-hawk's post and thought, "WTF?".

Things haven't changed much