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#396152 - 12/13/07 05:14 PM mitchell report....mlb steroid era
mreyns_tgl Offline
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Here is a link to the complete Mitchell report. This reports alot of names of players who took roids or hgh during thier career.

MITCHELL REPORT LINK


Here is a list of some notbale players:

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Jason Giambi
Gary Sheffield
Miguel Tejada

there are many many other names...some pretty suprising some you already know

i'm really pissed about Gary Matthews Jr. because he has been a Mariner's killer the last couple years...ridiculous

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#396158 - 12/13/07 05:27 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: mreyns_tgl]
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#396162 - 12/13/07 05:33 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: stlhead]
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Quite a few pitchers on that list.
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#396168 - 12/13/07 05:48 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: stlhead]
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They were just talking on KJR regarding the 2001 Mariners. They of course lost the ALCS to the Yankee's after their record breaking regular season.
Andy Pettite won two games as the MVP of that series and Clemens started another game the Yaks won.
They failed to mention though that they were throwing against guys like Popeye Bret Boone.
You've got to love a good conspiracy theory.

I think there are a lot more guys then just the 80 or so that they named. Some were just smarter then the others, like playing cash rather then writing checks for their roids.

You have to wonder if Clemen's throwing the bat a Mike Piazza was a case of roid rage?
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#396176 - 12/13/07 06:01 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: stonefish]
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Funny how both the Giambi brothers were both 'roiding. Runs in the family you know ;\)
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#396177 - 12/13/07 06:02 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: Jerry Garcia]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
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Next to fishing, baseball was the thing I loved as a kid. I not only enjoyed playing and watching the game, I loved the game itself. Somewhere along the line, they lost me though. Players being constantly traded, no loyality from a player to his team, no loyality from a team to its players, tons of tax dollars for stadiums, and a league that isn't too far off from being mafia run. The whole McGuire/Sosa HR chase the "brought the fans back after the strike" did nothing for me. I couldn't believe people would look at me funny when I said how obvious it was that McGuire was on steroids. The guy was 35 years old and had bad acne. Since then, it has only gotten worse.

I'd put the NBA right in the same light. I used to love watching it but there is corruption from the top down and some game winners are virtually picked by the refs.

The NFL is mafia-run too but at least it is exciting to watch and the competition seems real.

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#396178 - 12/13/07 06:04 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: Brad_tgl]
DUCMAN Offline
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clemens was always a hero for me. kind of a let down
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#396182 - 12/13/07 06:25 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: DUCMAN]
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So now with all of this hype is out of the box, no need for the alleged asterisk next to Bonds' name. If the pitchers were juicing, then the way I see it, is that Bonds was just putting himself on a fair playing field.

It's all a conspiracy. Mitchell is in tight with the Bo-Sox and is tainting his report the way he wants it to read. If anyone has watched Manny Ramirez through his career, and all his changes, there is no other explanation but for him to be on enhancers. Amazingly, Mitchell failed to add Manny to his list.

Media hype....


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#396184 - 12/13/07 06:36 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: Thrasher]
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What are you talking about thrasher....manny has been solid since he came into the league...

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#396191 - 12/13/07 06:53 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: mreyns_tgl]
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So was Barry. The reason is because of how big he has been for the past few years, basically up until last year. Then this year his uniform was a little bigger than normal, and he missed some time due to injury. It’s just an opinion though.

Manny Stats

A little spike in HR’s from 1998 to 2005. Coincidence? Maybe, but I think not.

Again, merely my opinion.

Also, would anyone think that Bonds' stats were odd just by looking at them, except for his 73 HR year??

Bonds Stats



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#396229 - 12/13/07 08:02 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: Thrasher]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Thrasher
Bonds was just putting himself on a fair playing field.

... Amazingly, Mitchell failed to add Manny to his list.


I don't buy the "level playing field" because you are putting his stats against other greats of the game. It might be a "level playing field" for the era (I don't even buy that) but his stats shouldn't be able to be compared to people like Hank Aaron.

And just because Manny (or anyone else) isn't on the list doesn't mean there is some conspiracy. Maybe he was just smarter about how he did it? They clearly aren't going to catch everyone. Some of these were easy finds though and were based on canceled checks or first hand info from other players or trainers.

The other thing that seems strange to me is that people are already saying things like, "Yeah, that was steroid era in the late 90's", as if none of this continued up to the most recent seasons? And shame on the league for trying to punish Giambi a while back when he was trying to be open about what had happened. All that did was make everyone shut up and continue denying everything.

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#396246 - 12/13/07 09:03 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
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I wish they would hurry up and snuff all of this out, it really has messed up my fantasy baseball leagues. It is tough to pick someone to hit 50 HR's now, let alone 40.

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#396276 - 12/13/07 10:49 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: Thrasher]
John Lee Hookum Offline
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List of Players Named in Mitchell Report
AP
Posted: 2007-12-13 16:42:17
Here's a list of most of the names Major League Baseball players listed in the Mitchell Report.

The following players were connected to steroids, either use or possession, in the report:

Lenny Dykstra

David Segui

Larry Bigbie

Brian Roberts

Jack Cust

Tim Laker

Josias Manzanillo

Todd Hundley

Mark Carreon

Hal Morris

Matt Franco

Rondell White

Andy Pettitte

Roger Clemens

Chuck Knoblauch

Jason Grimsley

Gregg Zaun

David Justice

F.P. Santangelo

Glenallen Hill

Mo Vaughn

Denny Neagle

Ron Villone

Ryan Franklin

Chris Donnels

Todd Williams

Phil Hiatt

Todd Pratt

Kevin Young

Mike Lansing

Cody McKay

Kent Mercker

Adam Piatt

Miguel Tejada

Jason Christiansen

Mike Stanton

Stephen Randolph

Jerry Hairston

Paul Lo Duca

Adam Riggs

Bart Miadich

Fernando Vina

Kevin Brown

Eric Gagne

Mike Bell

Matt Herges

Gary Bennett

Jim Parque

Brendan Donnelly

Chad Allen

Jeff Williams

Exavier "Nook" Logan

Howie Clark

Paxton Crawford

Ken Caminiti

Rafael Palmeiro

Luis Perez

Derrick Turnbow

Ricky Bones

Ricky Stone

The following players were cited under "Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball."

Rick Ankiel

David Bell

Paul Byrd

Jose Canseco

Jay Gibbons

Troy Glaus

Jason Grimsley

Jose Guillen

Darren Holmes

Gary Matthews Jr.

John Rocker

Scott Schoeneweis

Ismael Valdez

Matt Williams

Steve Woodard

The following players were linked through BALCO:

Benito Santiago

Gary Sheffield

Randy Velarde

Jason Giambi

Jeremy Giambi

Bobby Estalella

Barry Bonds

Marvin Benard
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#396286 - 12/13/07 11:30 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: ]
Thrasher Offline
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Imagine how bad Chuck Knoblauch would have really been without roids. Wow, that could have been really horrible to see him throw, or attempt to throw to 1st base while not juiced.

\:\)

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#396302 - 12/14/07 12:09 AM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: Thrasher]
Steelheadman Offline
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I didn't see Bret Boone listed in any of the reports. Jose named him in his book.
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#396353 - 12/14/07 01:33 AM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: Steelheadman]
blue_jay Offline
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Is this really a surprise? The only thing that would be surprising to see if Selig does something about it but he's to hell bent on keeping Pete Rose out.

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#396457 - 12/14/07 01:11 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: ]
John Lee Hookum Offline
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FYI..Did you know that a side affects of taking steroids, is that is causes the Penis to shrink to the size of a cocktail peanut? OUCH!! This comment was made by Lyle Alzado's personal Physician.


Edited by John Lee Hookum (12/14/07 01:33 PM)
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#396459 - 12/14/07 01:23 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: John Lee Hookum]
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And what about the NBA, those guys are monsters.

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#396486 - 12/14/07 02:14 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: chasbo]
Thrasher Offline
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The guys that are involved in the production of the baseball bats are affiliated with BALCO as well. The baseball bats have been made with wood that has been chemically cured to have a faster flex-response time in the fibers. Thereby creating a higher springlike reaction once the ball comes in contact with the bat.

Yep, I can see it now, they better go after the bat manufacturers.

Also, Nike has made a shoe guaranteed to make them run the bases faster. Better go after them too.

Where will it stop.

obviously I am being facetious here, I just think that you can point your finger at about anything in the leagues these days.

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#396489 - 12/14/07 02:16 PM Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era [Re: chasbo]
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Basketball players don't need bulk, because basketball is more like a ballet and requires fine motor skills. Steroids would render basketball players rigid and mechanical, like Robots. Besides, Basketball player love having sex with all the groupies.

Now when you mention... crack, guns and gangs, that's another thing. Seems to be the same for football as well, but with football, you can add one more...the addiction for watching mutts fights, as Michael Vicks was.


Edited by John Lee Hookum (12/14/07 02:17 PM)
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