What about a guy who is temporarily down on his luck. Lost his job and before he found a new one got hurt with no benefit coverage. You don't think we should as a society help him?

Why should we help him? If he had a job that provided insurance then he should have signed up for Cobra when he was let go. If he got hurt bad enough that it was life changing there are already several options availaible for them..

Dave
Hypothetically, Sheryl gets knocked up in highschool and chooses to drink and party for the next few years.. before she knows it she's 25 with 4 kids from different daddies, Why should society help her? Why should my taxpayer money go to support them?

I have known people who when they lost their job had to make the choice between Cobra and eating, it's not a difficult choice when money is that tight.

It's not her your helping, it's the kids and that is what seperates us from the 3rd world countries. There is plenty of money to give everyone free health care, the Government just chooses to spend it on other BS stuff.

Since your taxpayer money has to go somewhere why not make health care the first place and then let the rest fall where it may. I'd love to see us run out of money for artillery on our current war adventure.

Not me, I don't particularly enjoy Chinese food or Vodka.
By helping her and her kids you generally just end up paying for them in Prision and them continuing the cycle. Sorry I have no urge to help those people. By paying for her it continues to enable to cycle. So no F..em

Bring the Troops home,muscle wetbacks back over the border and cease giving handouts.

Are you implying that leaving Iraq would lead to China or Russia taking over the US?

Also, if you don't help those kids, don't you think the odds of them ending up in "prision" would be higher? And, you'd still be paying for them then. How does not paying for them "stop the cycle"?

No but disarming the military as some are propenents of doing would. Iraq is a bad situation, but the sublect has already been beat to death. Lets see Cheryl has one kid and gets govement support so things are tight but she still survives. Cheryl has one kid and gets nothing, back to the rents to try and figure out life rather than keep poppin out our next generatrion of prisoners and welfare mothers.

I'm only making a guess here, but is Cheryl your mom's name? I'm also guessing you're a big "God bless America" kinda guy, and America is a "Christian nation" and "Muslims just want to kill all us Christians."

Dude, you're a walking contradiction.

I'd also suggest you adopt a policy of at least 6 hours from bottle to keyboard.

Please elaborate on how I am a walking contradiction? My moms name is Shaquanda BTW . Actually If you did any research the muslims would have killed Cheryl during her first pregnancy in hardline countries. What if I am a muslim? I couldn't pick you out in a room of 1, and I bet the same goes for me. So once again, how am I a walking contradiction?

Without social programs you'd have complete anarchy. Starvation, homelessness, disease, crime and violence. You, as a taxpayer, are going to pay either way you look at it so you might as well choose the option that keeps the peace.

Link to the story...www.katu.com/news/3634401.html

NOT an internet rumor,nor unsubstanciated.

I just love that all the big Bush supporters keep waving the flag,saying we need to support the troops (which I do) and label anyone who opposes the war as being unpatriotic. It is amazing to see the results of all the government brainwashing and how easy it is to accomplish. As a direct result of this "war",we see the price of gas just keep rising. It is just a conincidence that big business is showing record profits as our soldiers die on a daily basis and we as a nation go further in debt.
Can anyone tell me why,other than to "stop the rise of Communism" we spent so much and lost so many in Vietnam? Does anyone really believe we would have been any worse off as a country if we had never paid the price of Vietnam? This "war" will go down as our biggest waste of funds and man power to date. But like anything else, we will not learn anything from it and repeat it at some later date.
I honestly believe that as soon as we pull out of Iraq there will be a massive civil war and we will see another similar group in power like the one that was ousted.Religious wars NEVER end.

I love this type of convers. Lets look at it logically. How do you intend to pay for(everyone covered.)? God knows we cant raise taxes on the "middle class" which I happen to consider myself even if the gov does not. Dont ask the 60mil that pay nothing and leach off "social programs". They could not possibly go get a job because then they would have no time to do the other things that make life livable for them, drink, smoke of the glass, pop out more kids, collect welfare....ets. Let raise taxes on the "rich". They pay a higher % now by 10%, just up it another 5% and all is well and good. Social sec gets in more trouble.....dont try to fix it, just raise the payrole tax on the "rich" again 3% more or adjusting the cap should do it. Need more money for medicare.......get those "rich" again, 2% this time. finacial uncertainty, you guessed it...."rich" again. Morgage crisis, rich. Need more taxes for any and everything else, rich, because noone knows who the hell that is anyway until all of the sudden you are in the government crosshairs.
When this country was founded, it was biult on a society of hard workers "working" to get ahead. The CEOs did not get where they are at by sitting on there a$$es. Doctors and lawyers and everyone else that went ot 10+ years of college and grad school got there by hard work. We accumulate hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans that will take 20 year to pay off. We start office that we will finally own when we are in our 60's. These are now the "rich" that pay for your social programs, not the corp titons, and pay for everything else as well. Small business owners who worked from the ground up and could end up being you in hte end should you decide to go that route. Money is tight and all we ever hear is how we should pay more. When did this society start punishing hard work and rewarding laziness. That was not what we were founded on and it is sad that it where we seem to be headed.
This is the truth....I am so tired of being told that I dont pay enough in taxes at 35% of my income and just raise them to pay for these "plans" politicians come up with to get votes. If you want coverage, then get a job and pay for it. I have a small business and there are riders that cover after people leave and there plan does not just "end" as was stated before. Every plan Bluewater has the option of extension if the person wants it beyond what is already covered but yes it should be them that pays for it. ER which I have worked in around the country are slammed with people who should not be in the country and that is why there are lines and it costs so much. Dont start on the Muslim crap because my wife is muslim and yes, some are allowed to marry though we would be killed in some other countries if we did. The vast majority are hard working great people but there are a small % that need a cruise missile dropped on their heads(the ones that dance in the street when a school bus of jewish shildren are blown up my a "martyr"). Our health care problem will be fixed when people stop stating everyone has a inherrant right to everything and start saying you need to work to take care of yourself. Save money for a rainy day and dont go buy that extra six pack for the weekend if you cant afford it. If it is out of your control then it should be covered as emergency care (as is done now) but not a legal citizen, tough. Handouts are what has made this country weak. Socialist societies which there are many have terrible economies because there is no drive to get ahead. No incentive to work. Everyone should pay their share and quit asking for everyone else to do it for them. Sorry for the rant but just think about it.

Blue Water pro

http://islamiclawetc.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/capital-punishment-for-a-rape-victim/

Hmm, I don't hate muslims by a long shot. I dated a muslim girl for a while and got some insight into to culture. If you want to put your head in the sand its fine.

Sthlhead,

"Starvation, homelessness, disease, crime and violence"

Have you not read the papers or walked the streets of any metropolitan city.. These problems already exist.

We're all typing in english on this thread, but I would not say that it is unifying us in any way based on the opinions posted.

Unfortunately, we do have all those things!

I kind of see where your coming from.. But billionaire CEO's make up a miniscule portion of our society. Additionally most of the companies ran by billionaire CEO's provide health care to there employees. If you really want to see healthcare prices go down.. Change the laws to better protect doctors from ambulance chasing attorneys who drive up costs by suing doctors for everything.

You want to see health care prices go down quit charging US citizens more for drugs than the rest of the world pays. Drugs made here by US companies who get substantial tax breaks and rubber stamp approval by their shill called the FDA.

There was a time when health care was more affordable - before the HMO's. They are just another mouth to feed (a huge mouth) when we could just have doctors make the call on what a patient needs. Same with hospitals, too many administrators instead of healers. Rant, rant, rant...

Gee, I dunno, how about asking every other industrialized nation how they do it? I mean, being as how we're reputedly the richest nation and all.....