So I bought two barrels of refined product. Motor oil. For eight hundred twenty bucks. Of course there was a fuel surcharge in there too.

Does anybody still do LPG conversions for cars and trucks? The cost on natural gas hasn't risen nearly as fast as oil. It is only up 20% in the last year.
On the refining cost side of oil, natural gas is mainly use to crack the hydrocarbon molecule so the cost to refine oil into all the products has gone up at the same rate as natural gas.
If we could only figure a way to use all the hot air produced in D.C. we wouldn't have to worry about the cost of energy.

The fallacy by some on oil is they think of it as a free market when it is not. Heck, even bread (wheat) isn't a free market.

Rockefellers call for change at Exxon

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN3044627420080430

"Neva Rockefeller Goodwin, great granddaughter of John D. Rockefeller."

I'd hit it.. and have no clue what she looks like

Everyone run out and buy the latest copy of Mother Jones magazine - it covers all of these topics, and the future is not pretty.

Also, I saw on Yahoo today that Iran is switching to euros and yen for oil trading. Do you know who tried to do that last and get OPEC to go with him? Saddam Hussein. Right now you can get 5 to 2 odds we're going in with the troops

Ask JerryGarcia about the summer heat in the valley - he might remember through the haze of years and beers - the AC stays on! Swimming pools, drain 'em, we can have more freak X-Games crap that way. Which leads me to... the youth of our state seem to be tackling the fuel problem by riding skateboards everywhere.

Our state was created for driving, as far as I can tell.....

Could be why Bushco and pals tried to corner the power market....so many scams under such a dim wit.

I can remember pouring concrete pads in a trailer park where it was 90 at 7am. I can remember riding my Yamaha from Chico going up the hill to Cohasset and feeling like I was going to bake alive until close to the top the temperature would drop about 10 degrees.

JG-

It hasn't changed a bit.

Aunty-

A certain motorcycle "club" has a motto "Better a sister in a whorehouse than a brother on a honda."

One of our best fishing buddies is from Chico.. owns the pro steam carpet cleaners there. Actually lives in Paradise. Last I talked to him, he had bought a Harley and that was his new thing. Fishing was history.. we kinda miss that guy. We would meet him at Pyramid lake near Reno a couple times a winter, and he would come up here in the summer. Also went to Eagle lake a time or two with him. Good dude.

I could justify (somehow) spending the same amount of dough on a boat, but not on a harley. To each their own, I guess. Oops, that saying should be on another thread!

"If all Californians rode Yamaha's, we wouldn't be in this mess."

Nah, they'd be riding stretch Yamaha's.

Think stretch Hummer, then you'll be in the California state of mind (all residents of Berkley excluded from this stereotype, check with the local chamber of commerce for actual graft and corruption figures, taxes not included, gas or otherwise)

The Yamaha was close to 40 years ago.

I'm suprised you can remember ANYTHING from 40 years ago Richard.

Plans? It was already developed and built. Aunty, you really need to watch a movie called "Who Killed the Electric Car".

http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/

40 years ago is fine, it's yesterday that is giving me trouble.

Just to add to our pain and misery, do you remember how much gas cost per gallon 40 years ago? Did you get Blue Chip Stamps with your fill-up? Imagine, using come-ons to get people just to BUY gas!

It was like a couple of dollars to fill the bike up.