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#439520 - 06/17/08 11:17 AM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: Todd]
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More on the real reason behind high oil prices
By F. William Engdahl
Online Journal Contributing Writer


Jun 3, 2008, 00:24

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As detailed in an earlier article, a conservative calculation is that at least 60 percent of today’s $128 per barrel price of crude oil comes from unregulated futures speculation by hedge funds, banks and financial groups using the London ICE Futures and New York NYMEX futures exchanges and uncontrolled inter-bank or Over-The-Counter trading to avoid scrutiny.

US margin rules of the government’s Commodity Futures Trading Commission allow speculators to buy a crude oil futures contract on the NYMEX by having to pay only 6 percent of the value of the contract. At today's price of $128 per barrel, that means a futures trader only has to put up about $8 for every barrel. He borrows the other $120. This extreme “leverage” of 16 to 1 helps drive prices to wildly unrealistic levels and offset bank losses in sub-prime and other disasters at the expense of the overall population.

The hoax of Peak Oil -- namely the argument that the oil production has hit the point where more than half all reserves have been used and the world is on the downslope of oil at a cheap price and abundant quantity -- has enabled this costly fraud to continue since the invasion of Iraq in 2003 with the help of key banks, oil traders and big oil majors. Washington is trying to shift blame, as always, to Arab OPEC producers. The problem is not a lack of crude oil supply. In fact the world is in oversupply now. Yet the price climbs relentlessly higher. Why? The answer lies in what are clearly deliberate US government policies that permit the unbridled oil price manipulations.

World oil demand flat, prices boom . . .

The chief market strategist for one of the world’s leading oil industry banks, David Kelly of J.P. Morgan Funds, recently admitted something telling to the Washington Post, “One of the things I think is very important to realize is that the growth in the world oil consumption is not that strong."

One of the stories used to support the oil futures speculators is the allegation that China’s oil import thirst is exploding out of control, driving shortages in the supply-demand equilibrium. The facts do not support the China demand thesis however.

The US government’s Energy Information Administration (EIA) in its most recent monthly Short Term Energy Outlook report concluded that US oil demand is expected to decline by 190,000 b/d in 2008. That is mainly owing to the deepening economic recession. Chinese consumption, the EIA says, far from exploding, is expected to rise this year by only 400,000 barrels a day. That is hardly the "surging oil demand" blamed on China in the media. Last year, China imported 3.2 million barrels per day, and its estimated usage was around 7 million b/d total. The US, by contrast, consumes around 20.7 million b/d.

That means the key oil consuming nation, the USA, is experiencing a significant drop in demand. China, which consumes only a third of the oil the US does, will see a minor rise in import demand compared with the total daily world oil output of some 84 million barrels, less than half of a percent of the total demand.

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) has its 2008 global oil demand growth forecast unchanged at 1.2 mm bpd, as slowing economic growth in the industrialised world is offset by slightly growing consumption in developing nations. OPEC predicts global oil demand in 2008 will average 87 million bpd -- largely unchanged from its previous estimate. Demand from China, the Middle East, India, and Latin America is forecast to be stronger but the EU and North American demand will be lower.

So the world’s largest oil consumer faces a sharp decline in consumption, a decline that will worsen as the housing and related economic effects of the US securitization crisis in finance de-leverages. The price in normal open or transparent markets would presumably be falling not rising. No supply crisis justifies the way the world's oil is being priced today.

Big new oil fields coming online

Not only is there no supply crisis to justify such a price bubble. There are several giant new oil fields due to begin production over the course of 2008 to further add to supply.

The world’s single largest oil producer, Saudi Arabia is finalizing plans to boost drilling activity by a third and increase investments by 40 percent. Saudi Aramco's plan, which runs from 2009 to 2013, is expected to be approved by the company's board and the Oil Ministry this month. The Kingdom is in the midst of a $50 billion oil production expansion plan to meet growing demand in Asia and other emerging markets. The Kingdom is expected to boost its pumping capacity to a total of 12.5 mm bpd by next year, up about 11 percent from current capacity of 11.3 mm bpd.

In April this year, Saudi Arabia's Khursaniyah oilfield began pumping and will soon add another 500,000 bpd to world oil supply of high grade Arabian Light crude. As well, another Saudi expansion project, the Khurais oilfield development, is the largest of Saudi Aramco projects that will boost the production capacity of Saudi oilfields from 11.3 million bpd to 12.5 million bpd by 2009. Khurais is planned to add another 1.2 million bpd of high quality Arabian light crude to Saudi Arabia's export capacity.

Brazil’s Petrobras is in the early phase of exploiting what it estimates are newly confirmed oil reserves offshore in its Tupi field that could be as great or greater than the North Sea. Petrobras says the new ultra-deep Tupi field could hold as much as 8 billion barrels of recoverable light crude. When online in a few years, it is expected to put Brazil among the world's "top 10" oil producers, between those of Nigeria and those of Venezuela.

In the United States, aside from rumors that the big oil companies have been deliberately sitting on vast new reserves in Alaska for fear that the prices of recent years would plunge on oversupply, the US Geological Survey (USGS) recently issued a report that confirmed major new oil reserves in an area called the Bakken, which stretches across North Dakota, Montana and south-eastern Saskatchewan. The USGS estimates up to 3.65 billion barrels of oil in the Bakken.

These are just several confirmations of large new oil reserves to be exploited. Iraq, where the Anglo-American Big Four oil majors are salivating to get their hands on the unexplored fields, is believed to hold oil reserves second only to Saudi Arabia. Much of the world has yet to be explored for oil. At prices above $60 a barrel, huge new potentials become economic. The major problem faced by Big Oil is not finding replacement oil but keeping the lid on world oil finds in order to maintain present exorbitant prices. Here they have some help from Wall Street banks and the two major oil trade exchanges -- NYMEX and London-Atlanta’s ICE and ICE Futures.

Then why do prices still rise?

There is growing evidence that the recent speculative bubble in oil, which has gone asymptotic since January, is about to pop.

Late last month in Dallas Texas, according to one participant, the American Association of Petroleum Geologists held its annual conference where all the major oil executives and geologists were present. According to one participant, knowledgeable oil industry CEOs reached the consensus that "oil prices will likely soon drop dramatically and the long-term price increases will be in natural gas."

Just a few days earlier, Lehman Brothers, a Wall Street investment bank had said that the current oil price bubble was coming to an end. Michael Waldron, the bank's chief oil strategist, was quoted in Britain's Daily Telegraph on Apr. 24 saying, "Oil supply is outpacing demand growth. Inventories have been building since the beginning of the year.”

In the US, stockpiles of oil climbed by almost 12 million barrels in April according to the May 7 EIA monthly report on inventory, up by nearly 33 million barrels since January. At the same time, MasterCard's May 7 US gasoline report showed that gas demand has fallen by 5.8 percent. And refiners are reducing their refining rates dramatically to adjust to the falling gasoline demand. They are now running at 85 percent of capacity, down from 89 percent a year ago, in a season when production is normally 95 percent. The refiners today are clearly trying to draw down gasoline inventories to bid gasoline prices up. ‘It’s the economy, stupid,’ to paraphrase Bill Clinton’s infamous 1992 election quip to Daddy Bush. It’s called economic recession.

The May 8 report from Oil Movements, a British company that tracks oil shipments worldwide, shows that oil in transit on the high seas is also quite strong. Almost every category of shipment is running higher than it was a year ago. The report notes, "In the West, a big share of any oil stock building done this year has happened offshore, out of sight." Some industry insiders say the global oil industry from the activities and stocks of the Big Four to the true state of tanker and storage and liftings, is the most secretive industry in the world with the possible exception of the narcotics trade.

Goldman Sachs again in the middle

The oil price today, unlike 20 years ago, is determined behind closed doors in the trading rooms of giant financial institutions like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Deutsche Bank or UBS. The key exchange in the game is the London ICE Futures Exchange (formerly the International Petroleum Exchange). ICE Futures is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Atlanta Georgia International Commodities Exchange. ICE in Atlanta was founded in part by Goldman Sachs which also happens to run the world’s most widely used commodity price index, the GSCI, which is over-weighted to oil prices.

As I noted in my earlier article, (Perhaps 60 percent of today’s oil price is pure speculation), ICE was focus of a recent congressional investigation. It was named both in the Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations' June 27, 2006, Staff Report and in the House Committee on Energy & Commerce's hearing in December 2007 which looked into unregulated trading in energy futures. Both studies concluded that energy prices' climb to $128 and perhaps beyond is driven by billions of dollars' worth of oil and natural gas futures contracts being placed on the ICE. Through a convenient regulation exception granted by the Bush administration in January 2006, the ICE Futures trading of US energy futures is not regulated by the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, even though the ICE Futures US oil contracts are traded in ICE affiliates in the USA. And at Enron’s request, the CFTC exempted the Over-the-Counter oil futures trades in 2000.

So it is no surprise to see in a May 6 report from Reuters that Goldman Sachs announces oil could in fact be on the verge of another "super spike," possibly taking oil as high as $200 a barrel within the next six to 24 months. That headline, "$200 a barrel!" became the major news story on oil for the next two days. How many gullible lemmings followed behind with their money bets?

Arjun Murti, Goldman Sachs' energy strategist, blamed what he called "blistering" [sic] demand from China and the Middle East, combined with his assertion that the Middle East is nearing its maximum ability to produce more oil. Peak Oil mythology again helps Wall Street. The degree of unfounded hype reminds of the kind of self-serving Wall Street hype in 1999-2000 around dot-com stocks or Enron.

In 2001 just before the dot-com crash in the NASDAQ, some Wall Street firms were pushing sale to the gullible public of stocks that their companies were quietly dumping. Or they were pushing dubious stocks for companies where their affiliated banks had a financial interest. In short, as later came out in Congressional investigations, companies with a vested interest in a certain financial outcome used the media to line their pockets and that of their companies, leaving the public investor holding the bag. It would be interesting for Congress to subpoena the records of the futures positions of Goldman Sachs and a handful of other major energy futures players to see if they are invested to gain from a further rise in oil to $200 or not.

Margin rules feed the frenzy

Another added turbo-charger to present speculation in oil prices is the margin rule governing what percent of cash a buyer of a futures contract in oil has to put up to bet on a rising oil price (or falling for that matter). The current NYMEX regulation allows a speculator to put up only 6 percent of the total value of his oil futures contract. That means a risk-taking hedge fund or bank can buy oil futures with a leverage of 16 to 1.

We are hit with an endless series of plausible arguments for the high price of oil: A "terrorism risk premium;" “blistering” rise in demand of China and India; unrest in the Nigerian oil region; oil pipelines' blown up in Iraq; possible war with Iran . . . And above all the hype about Peak Oil. Oil speculator T. Boone Pickens has reportedly raked in a huge profit on oil futures and argues, conveniently, that the world is on the cusp of Peak Oil. So does the Houston investment banker and friend of Dick Cheney, Matt Simmons.

As the June 2006 US Senate report, The Role of Market Speculation in Rising Oil and Gas Prices, noted, "There's a few hedge fund managers out there who are masters at knowing how to exploit the peak oil theories and hot buttons of supply and demand, and by making bold predictions of shocking price advancements to come, they only add more fuel to the bullish fire in a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy."

Will a Democratic Congress act to change the carefully crafted opaque oil futures markets in an election year and risk bursting the bubble? On May 12, the House Energy & Commerce Committee stated it will look at this issue in June. The world will be watching.

F. William Engdahl is author of "A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order" (PlutoPress), and "Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation" (Global Research). He may be reached at info@engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net.
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#439521 - 06/17/08 11:19 AM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: Todd]
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There's a ton more of it out there, too...and just like every other time, my recommendation will be to find out what the hell you are talking about, especially before repeating anything whatsoever you hear from Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or on FoxNews...if you don't, then you risk sounding as uninformed and stupid as them.

It's your choice.

Fish on...

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#439527 - 06/17/08 11:30 AM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: Todd]
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Seems some don't remember Clinton releasing oil from the strategic oil reserves causing Bush Jr to have a tantrum.
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#439529 - 06/17/08 11:36 AM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: stlhead]
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It's not that some don't remember, it's that some don't care...it's easier to just repeat what the bobble-talking-head-dolls on the radio and on Fox say, and more fun that way, too.

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#439535 - 06/17/08 11:56 AM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: stlhead]
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Why would American oil companies drill and produce from their US leases when it costs $17 a barrel to get oil out of the ground in the US and it costs only $3.70 a barrel to get it out of the ground in places like Saudi Arabia?

The next best thing to a monopoly of a market is an oligopoly, which looks an awful lot like 5 companies controlling 50% of American refining capacity and 10 companies controlling 80%. What happened to the Sherman Anti-trust Act anyway? Isn't the gov't guilty of malfeasance and misfeasance to have allowed mergers of mega-sized oil companies in the first place? Hell back in the 30s the gov't forced Chevron and Standard Oil to break up for becomming too big, and they were tiny compared to today's oil giants.

And then we have hedge fund investing driving the "surge" in oil prices. It's been a lot more successful than Bush's surge in Iraq, but that's OK since Bush's buddies, you know, the "have mores", are all in the oil business.

And somehow this is all Al Gore's fault? Gore may be influential, but his influence isn't even a pitance compared to the above.

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#439536 - 06/17/08 12:02 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: ]
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The point is that this thread started out with the Republican Talking Points for why gasoline costs so much here in the USA, taken straight from the mouths of dingbats like Rush and Hannity, but that the reality is so far from what they say that it's almost like it's a different reality.

OK...it's not almost like that, it is that. The "non-reality based" reality that the Bush Administration, their talking heads in the media, and apparently 28% of America likes to live in.

Fortunately the other 72% of us use our brains more than that, and can easily find the actual facts within a few minutes of looking...should we care to look, of course.

Non-reality based folks don't like to look much...it challenges their non-reality too much...I mean, how can good American patriots like Rush and Hannity be lying to us? They tell us how much they love America and how everyone who disagrees with them doesn't...why shouldn't we trust them?

Real Fact: Those who primarily get their news and information from FoxNews know less at the end of the broadcast than they did at the beginning...a net loss of anything close to "the truth".

It would be fun just to say stuff like that, since it's true and pisses off the 28% Non-Reality inhabitants, but there was an actual study done on it...FoxNews listners actually not only know far less than those who get their information from more and varied sources, but they actually kow less at the end of watching Sean Hannity than they did at the beginning of the show.

...the funny part is that the illustrious leaders of the non-reality based 28% of America like it that way. The last thing they need is you knowing their full of crap.

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#439548 - 06/17/08 01:06 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: ]
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This is getting ridiculus.
Todd...Your research is clouded by your ideolory.
Who is blocking the drilling in teh refuge, great lakes, florida(not eight years ago but now), midwest. pretty much every where? Not teh republicans.
Are the oil companies Shiat....yes yes yes but this deal on how you present the Dems as the great guiding light and point the fingure always at the Rep is......well for lack of a better word coming ot me B.S. The rep have done it in the past and are just as to blame now but giving no respons to teh Dem, Wow. Here are some articles from teh last two weeks and I have work so this took about two seconds.

A House subcommittee on Wednesday rejected a Republican-led effort to open up more U.S. coastal waters to oil exploration.
Rep. John Peterson, R-Pa., spearheaded the effort. His proposal would open up U.S. waters between 50 and 200 miles off shore for drilling. The first 50 miles off shore would be left alone.
But the plan failed Wednesday on a 9-6, party-line vote in a House appropriations subcommittee, which was considering the proposal as part of an Interior Department spending package.
...
Most offshore oil production and exploration has been banned since a federal law passed in 1981.
"We are kidding ourselves if we think we can drill our way out of these problems," House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey, D-Wis., said during the bill mark-up session.
For his part, Peterson said: "There is no valid reason for Congress to keep the country from energy resources it needs."
"I'm disappointed. I did not expect a partisan vote today. I felt we had a chance of winning this. A lot of Democrats have been talking favorably about my amendment. They know we have to do something. But today was an absolute show of Pelosi power, it was dealt from the top down," Peterson said later

Seattle PI
Cantwell vows Senate fight to stop oil drilling
Democrat may lead filibuster to preserve Arctic refuge


House Acts to Block New Oil Drilling in Great Lakes.
Byline: Mark Johnson

Jun. 29--The debate over oil and gas exploration under the Great Lakes intensified Thursday, as the U.S. House voted to block new drilling, while the governor's office in Michigan insisted the action would have no bearing on its plans to allow more drilling.

By a 265-157 vote, the House passed an amendment to an energy and water spending bill that would prevent the Army Corps of Engineers from issuing new permits for oil and gas drilling under the Great Lakes.

"I'm glad we won," said Dave Obey, a House Democrat from Wausau. "Lake Superior and Lake Michigan are beyond a doubt the two most...
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#439552 - 06/17/08 01:18 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: Todd]
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"Through a convenient regulation exception granted by the Bush administration in January 2006, the ICE Futures trading of US energy futures is not regulated by the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, even though the ICE Futures US oil contracts are traded in ICE affiliates in the USA." I am sure this was just an oversite and not planned by Cheney with the help of the oil industry.
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#439559 - 06/17/08 01:37 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: stever in everett]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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he and his liberal supporters realized that letting the oil companies be responsible and take the blame for high prices was the perfect scenario.


I've never known liberals to be associated with Laissez Faire economics.
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#439572 - 06/17/08 02:31 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: ]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Laissez-faire is supported by proponents of libertarianism, classical liberalism, neoliberalism, minarchism, Conservativism and Objectivism.


So Laissez Faire is supported by everyone, then...........except Marxists and Communists. wink
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#439577 - 06/17/08 02:55 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: Todd]
Sol Duc Offline
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Originally Posted By: Todd
There's a ton more of it out there, too...and just like every other time, my recommendation will be to find out what the hell you are talking about, especially before repeating anything whatsoever you hear from Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or on FoxNews...if you don't, then you risk sounding as uninformed and stupid as them.

It's your choice.

Fish on...

Todd


Geez Todd you have a big of Hard on for Fox news then you do Gary Loomis.Let me guess...you think MSNBC is gospel ? I love the fact that Fox News gets you all hot and bothered..it just shows how narrow minded you are. When this is the only news station that is slanted to the right,and the rest are run and hosted by left wing nuts like yourself.

You have made some pretty damn arrogant statements on here to those people that don't agree with you're politics. There are ALOT of stations that I hate too, but not going to call people on here idiots for watching them.
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#439583 - 06/17/08 03:25 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: Sol Duc]
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what no one seems to says is that even if we allow drilling every where it would only drop the price of gas by about one cent per gallon. the only ones to make money on it would be the oil companies.
also why are the refiners in washington only running at around 80% and 20% percent of the gas refined here is ship over seas.
also why when a tanker pulls into seattle to pick up a load of gas, all brands of gas come from the same place, the drive has to punch in the zip code of the delivery town to decide the price and it is not the mileage that decides the price either a town further away may get a lower price than one closer.
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#439591 - 06/17/08 04:03 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: larryb]
Todd Offline
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SolDuc, I don't call people who watch FoxNews idiots for watching...I call them idiots for swallowing what they see there, hook, line and sinker. I watch it sometimes to find out what topic the Republicans are going to murder the truth with this week...

Whatever the Republican spin machine is going to go after this week first gets sent directly to Rush and Hannity, who tell us exactly the opposite of what the reality is regarding the issue...you know, "catapulting the propoganda"...right?

It's a great place to start the research, though...take the topic they are "discussing", ignore the "analysis", and go research the topic yourself...then you'll find the truth, which is usually directly counter to the story you're hearing on FoxNews.

Fish on...

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#439601 - 06/17/08 05:36 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: Todd]
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It's classic Karl Rove...repeat it over and over and some will start to believe.

I wish we had a non-party affiliated commission who came up with a voter knowledge test every election. A four year election the test covers basic facts versus fiction over the last four years and a two year the last two years. If you can't pass the test you can't vote. If that were the case what would the repubs do in this election? Come out with a "here's the real truth behind the BS we've been feeding you" fact sheet in order to have some resemblance of a voter base?
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#439606 - 06/17/08 06:12 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: ]
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Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 7477
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Originally Posted By: AuntyM
.....so you picked an almost unknown black guy from Chicago, the home of political corruption and black activism?


He's more Arab than he is African. Let's put Al-Quida in the white house. Why the fuc% not. This country is nothing but a hypocritical buracracy of lies and purchased loyalty.

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#439610 - 06/17/08 06:17 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: Sol]
seastrike Offline
Hey Man....It's cool...

Registered: 08/18/02
Posts: 4242
Loc: seattle
Sol I sense the anger coming back....
What's up?

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#439612 - 06/17/08 06:21 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: seastrike]
Sol Offline
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Politics and religion, bro.

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#439614 - 06/17/08 06:28 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: ]
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Posts: 6732
Originally Posted By: AuntyM
You mean like the BS that Obama is actually qualified to BE a candidate?

What has he actually DONE to be qualified? Ya'll didn't like Hillary or the other choices, so you picked an almost unknown black guy from Chicago, the home of political corruption and black activism?

This election should have been a slam dunk for you liberals, but it's not anywhere close to that according to the polls. America doesn't like being God Damned I guess.

Who are the dumb asses again? I'd say democraps aren't even capable of finding and nominating a decent candidate.


Aunty, hasn't GW proven that ANYBODY can be president?
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#439615 - 06/17/08 06:29 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: stlhead]
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Btw, the person you despise would have been the slam dunk...Al Gore.
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#439617 - 06/17/08 06:33 PM Re: Want lower oil prices? Some dont [Re: stlhead]
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I'm betting Osama will pick Gore as his running mate. That way Osama can capitalize on the Hitlary camp without having to get in bed with the Clintons.
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