Unfortunately the store broke two days ago, and I forgot to put up the post until last night...I'll admit I was hoping to get some of the Hannity/Rush wannabes on this site to start frothing at the mouth and ranting incoherently...like Hannity and Rush.

Might have made a better showing had I remembered to get it posted on Monday evening...

Fish on...

Todd

I really thought I had stumbled into a parallel universe, after reading the question and its author. Is deception illegal?

Yet, I was unmoved by the infraction of being late on taxes. Not many people are aware of the publications such as the Daily Journal of Commerce, which is a business publication and lists all of the bankruptcies, tax liens etc on individuals and companies in washington state. Other states have similar publications. It doesnt matter who you are, property taxes are either paid or they auction off the property. Willie Nelson, Wayne Newton and Ed McMahon have been on one list or another. I didnt see the outrage. Locally, if you knew all the people on websites such as this, you might find people you know.

The big difference here is the fact that these homes belong to Cindy McCain. They have a prenup, according to one interview or article, that I came across. Number two, she isnt running for office. She obviously hired someone to take care of this. At some point, they are required by law to put their holdings in a trust. Its doesnt prevent errors or mismanagement by the mgr. of the trust. They either screwed up or they had a dispute over the value of the property. That doesnt make them a crook.

I feel sorry for the people here who rely on class envy. The Clintons have their own money. John Kerrys wife is the spouse with money. It was Tereasa who owned the SUV's during the Kerry Campaign, not John. What those people choose to invest in, is their own business. If they fall behind on the payments or the taxes, its their responsibility. It doesnt make them a crook.

If you want to dig up some dirt, perhaps you google masters could go back a few years when Richard Gephart was railing about the rich not paying their fair share, while he did everything he legally could to avoid taxes on a 750,000 dollar home. That goes back a ways. Early nineties. Or you could go back and look up the tax deduction/loophole legislation that Dan Rostenkowski and Lloyd Benson were able to procure for businesses or people in their districts while railing that the rich dont pay their fair share. Perhaps hypocracy isnt illegal. It says volumes in my book. How many people, besides Hillary Clinton, would ask another candidate to pay off her campaign debts. I wonder if its true, she wants to be reimbursed for putting her own money into the campaign. How odd, that a person thinks that everyone else should pay for HER political campaign. Of course thats part of the party wish list, is public financing of campaigns. Dont want these rich Harvard graduates to have to spend their own money, do we? As long as the general public feels the rich are paying their fair share, it wont matter if we dont see the perks and the refunds, heading out the back door. Is deception, illegal?

Todd the trickster! I read about the McCain's tax issue on a California home the other day. Is neocon baiting legal? Ethical? Do you have to use barbless hooks (sickle siwash)? Do not remove from the water before releasing? So much to ponder.

I'm still voting for Ron Paul.

"I'm still voting for Ron Paul."

and therefore throwing away your vote.

and his money.

Is deception illegal?

For real?

If it were, all of BushCorp would be rotting in Guantanamo right now...besides, it was your buddies at FoxNews who ran it up the flagpole in the federal courts that there is no law requiring that they actually be truthful in their broadcasts, and that lying by a news agency is still protected by the First Amendment...

..and that's no deception. FoxNews actually established in federal court that they are under no obligation to tell the truth in their broadcasts, and that lying on purpose is still protected under their right to free speech and the freedom of the press.

Fish on...

Todd

Says the guy voting for McCain or Obama.

Party first, country second, huh?

Mind your own f'n vote before you criticize someone else's.

Country first, party second. Only one of them will be elected and since we all have a stake in it. It might as well count. We can respectfully disagree, who is the better candidate. Neither of them will do a good job.

...and therefore I can say that I didn't vote for them. I only wish I could take back a few votes.

I'm still wondering who the 11 people that voted against me voted for when I ran unopposed for school board. More power to the folks who choose their own path.

If Obama gets elected, best get ready to purchase a prayer rug, get on your knees and face Mecca, along with buying burkas for your wives and daughters

nookie, refer to my last post regarding that FoxNews not only lies to you, but has made sure that they have the Constitutional right to do so.

You also have the Constitutional right to believe their lies, which, apparently, you are happy to exercise.

It's too bad being stupid doesn't at least hurt a little...at least like a sunburn, or maybe a stubbed toe.

Fish on...

Todd

Although I took the following info from wikipedia, it is still entirely factual and a matter of public record. I made the second paragraph boldface so that it would be hard to ignore:


In 1972, Charles Keating began to work for American Financial Corporation, a company involved in insurance and banking. Four years later he moved to Phoenix, Arizona to run the real estate firm American Continental Corporation, a spin-off of American Financial Corp. In 1984, American Continental Corporation bought Lincoln Savings. Such savings and loan associations had been deregulated in the early 1980s, allowing them the opportunity to make highly risky investments with their depositors’ money, an opportunity of which Keating took advantage.

Some regulators noted the danger posed by these deregulations and pushed for more oversight, but Congress refused. This may be due, in part, to the Keating Five, five Senators — Dennis DeConcini, Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Don Riegle and John McCain — who had received, for both themselves and for groups they supported, well over $1 million from Keating in the 1980s as favors and political contributions.[1] They later met twice with regulators who were investigating American Continental Corporation, in an attempt to end the investigation. (In 1991, they would be rebuked to various degrees by the Senate Ethics Committee.)[2]
In 1985, Keating hired Alan Greenspan as an economic consultant, in an unsuccessful effort to convince an oversight agency to exempt Lincoln Savings from certain regulations. Greenspan delivered a favorable report, writing that Lincoln Savings was “a financially strong institution that presents no foreseeable risk to depositors or the government.” (Greenspan produced similar favorable reports on numerous other banks that also failed soon after.) [3]

In 1989, American Continental Corporation, the parent of Lincoln Savings, went bankrupt. More than 21,000 investors, most of them elderly, lost their life savings (in total about $285 million.) This occurred largely because they held securities backed by the parent company rather than deposits in the federally-insured institution — a distinction apparently lost on many if not most depositors until it was too late. The federal government covered almost $3 billion of Lincoln’s losses when it seized the institution. Many creditors were made whole, and the government then attempted to liquidate the seized assets through its Resolution Trust Corporation, often at pennies on the dollar compared to what the property had allegedly been worth and the valuation at which loans against it had been made.

In 1989, Keating, when subpoenaed to testify before the House Banking Committee, invoked his right against self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution.[4][5]


I am not endorsing Obama, but this is your John McCain people - his actions of the past speak for him today as far as I am concerned.

I wish you would have waited on this one todd. As a conservative, I still would have been supporting Obama on this one. Not paying ones property taxes is not crooked. It just means you will end up paying a lot of penalties or will end up losing the property. I have property I am behind on. I just need the money more for something else right now. I know I will end up paying a huge penalty, but it is worth it to me. Does that make me a crook? I hope not. I know of many investors who do the same thing. In the end, the government makes a whole lot more from us than they otherwise would, so I guess in someways that just makes us stupid. Now if McCain was filing for a senior discount or was lying about improvements, that would make him a crook. So, are all the improvements to your home permitted and recorded to the county? I bet you there are plenty of people around here who have upgraded their homes or added a garage and failed to tell the county.

I'm still voting for Ron Paul.

krijack,

If you can't afford to pay your taxes, then you can thank eight years of BushCorp for that...

If you choose not to pay them, then you are in violation of the law.

The McCain's, who are about as elitist as they come, have enough money to not only bail out half the folks who are losing their ONE home due to BushCorp, but even have enough to pay the taxes on their "just a Regular Joe, non-elistist" SEVEN homes.

They aren't claiming some deficiency of funds, nor are they claiming they made some sketchy financial decisions and have decided to not pay their taxes on their tax shelter trust owned home as some strategy to shore up their ailing bank account, but they just failed to pay the bill...for no reason other than they "forgot".

The last time we had a President who "couldn't recall" little details like that was the last time we had a President who negotiated with terrorists, funded an illegal war in Central America, and sold arms to our sworm enemies, the Iranians.

Sure we want to have another "I just forgot" President?

I'm sure the RWWJ's don't mind a President who "just forgot", when he didn't really forget anything at all, but is lying through his teeth, but the other 72% of America deserves better.

The 28% Kool-Aid drinkers deserve exactly what they get.

Fish on...

Todd

Pretty foamy.

At least you didn't try to talk up McLame...that would take more foam than even Hannity and Rush could generate during back to back four hour strokefests.

Fish on...

Todd

I think Dogfish is voting for McCain, but is too embarrassed to say so.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. I'd vote for Ron Paul, if'n I thought it would matter.

By the way, I'm still voting for Ron Paul.