I'm white, fairly well-educated, and liberal.........and one of the few things I really dislike about this country is the politics.

This thread illustrates why.

A bunch of people defending one of two goats.......and they ARE goats, both of them.........when they should be demanding better candidates from both sides.

But instead, we ignore how lame "our" candidate is, attack the "other" candidate and anyone who supports them, and then wonder why we get stuck with two pieces of sh!t every election.

F'n pathetic.

I'm about to line up with Andy and vote for Ron Paul.

Dan S.......That is about the most sane thing I have heard. The attacks that happen in our political system mean we end up with no one to vote for. You are so torn apart running for president that we only get these megalomanics running.
The primary process means you only get the worst of the worst. The most liberal and conservative are who survives because the rest of us looking for someone centrist dont get a say in most of the states. Sad we end up with OB and McC. I still cant vote for RP as it means nothing though. To make a statement that no one will hear or care about is tough for me to do. Instead of looking for a great leader you have to choose the lesser of two evils. Fines mess that puts us in. Who would make a worse president.....Lets vote for the other guy.

Word, Dan.

I take things from both sides to live my life by, liberal in some areas, conservative in others, and I think many people are that way. I just wish that some day there would be a candidate that represented my views on life, but that would be asking too much.

If you want to know why we are stuck with goats, read "The Associates: Four Capitalists Who Created California" by Richard Rayner. The title is misleading because what they really accomplished was the submission of our government to corporate money. Our "choices" are predetermined for us by corporate money and actually reflect competing/warring business individuals.

And no, this is not a tin foil hat conspiracy - it is factual and completely documented, but it will require that you actually read a book.

Once again, die thread, die.

And I'm voting for Ron Paul

PS Not a shot at you DanS, you just got me "fired up"

I'm white, educated, and fairly liberal on most things, especially the environment and social constructs, meaning we should protect the environment and religious people should keep their idiotic rules to themselves and not try and force them on the rest of us. Fiscally I'm more to the right, but not too far.

I love my country.

If I didn't, then I wouldn't care that dip$hits like BushCorp are ruining it...or that McLame might become President and give us four or eight more years of the same crap we're getting now.

If I didn't love my country, I'd be voting for more of the same...

Fish on...

Todd