I know that I am in the market right now....

I know I just bought a good amount of shells for my .300 and shotgun... But I've got all the guns I need.....

Keith

I love seeing all the signs at gun shops lately...

"Buy now or never!"

...and even more funny is the lineup of scared sheep shelling over all their hard earned cash buying into the fear...sure is a good marketing technnique, I'll give 'em that.

Fish on...

Todd

That is good marketing. You go to check out guns and you can't even get to the counter right now.

I'm not really concerned one way or the other as I have all the guns I need as well, but I just happen to be looking for a side arm to carry while hiking/biking/scouting/fishing in remote areas by myself.

Bad timing on my part as the gun shops are plugged right now.

What is it that everyone is afraid of? Is it because Obama will ban assault weapons, semi autos, high capicity mags etc.? Did he even address gun control or other gun issues during the election? I have not read or heard a thing from him. Is the NRA scaring the hell out of everyone?

I am not trying to be a smart arse, just curious as to the source of why people would go crazy buying guns?

Just add "take all your guns" to the list of excellent right wing points...Obama's a Muslim, Obama's the anti-Christ, Obama wasn't born in the USA, Obama is a terrorist...etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.

The funny part about this one is that it's the gun shops that are totally milking the fear and paranoia of their best supporters, the gun nuts.

For some reason I don't think it's as funny to the nuts as it is to the rest of us on the outside watching it happen to them. The gun shops are laughing all the way to the bank.

Fish on...

Todd

The same people who are clamoring to buy black guns, just sat around with their thumb up their butts while the present administration plundered their constitutional rights.

Hey, watch it now! You libs can't use our term for you guys. WTF's wrong with you?

Get it right......knuckledraggers on one side......sheep on the other....guns on one side....gays on the other......the R's and the D's...got it?

Keep yer sheep on yer own side of the fence.

Excellent point Slab Happy. Lets make sure the name calling is following proper protocol.

Uh...actually...it's the Red Staters that get caught with sheep.

But now that you've warned us, we will do our best to keep you away from our sheep...and other livestock.

You from Enumclaw or Montana?

I need to know which stable to put the stronger lock on.

Although some lib's may think the fear of gun ban's is unjustified.
The FACT remains that the last Democratic administration did in fact impose gun ban's on some weapons along with magazine restrictions.
With our President Elects record voting on different gun bills the possibility of more bans is very high. Your kidding yourself if you believe otherwise.

It's the term "sniper rifle" that scares the Hell out of me.

After all who needs a precision rifle capable of making 1000 yard shots firing projectiles capable penetrating two guys wearing body armour?

All of todays modern big game hunters that's who.

And the possible whackjob assasin.

It's a slippery slope, Stam...ban private citizens from having Stealth Bombers and nuclear missiles, and the next thing you know they'll be outlawing spitballs and rubber bands.

I think I'm going to quickly run down to OfficeMax and buy 256,000 rubber bands, just in case.

Fish on...

Todd

Todd, be real the NRA got voted out, there has to be out fall to hear the I told you so's

Todd Stam: You guys are simply uninformed. The 2nd amendment guarantees me and my milita homies the right to bear arms. It does not say I can't have a nuclear bomb. Next thing you know they will want to register mt Bazooka. And Todd's potato cannon!

Typical red herring argument from the left. The idea is not the legalization of nuclear warheads, stealth fighters, RPGS, machine guns, Bradley tanks or whatever other BS things ya'll want to try and include...it's about the fallacy that a pistol with 10 rounds in the mag makes you any safer then a pistol that holds 11.....

...AND the last Democrat in the White House did impose restrictions that accomplished NOTHING.

The aforementioned weapons are ILLEGAL, remain ILLEGAl and the Supreme court reaffirmed their status....with some exceptions.

That is in fact ILLEGAL unless it is registered.......

But don't let facts get in the way of a good emotional, liberal argument.

(B17) How do I obtain a classification from ATF for my "potato gun?" [Back]

Any person desiring a classification of a “potato gun,” “spud gun” or similar device must submit a written request (not e-mail) to the Director and include a complete and accurate description of the device, the name and address of the manufacturer or importer, the purpose for which it is intended, and such photographs, diagrams, or drawings as may be necessary to make a classification. A final determination may require physical examination of the device. Such requests for classification should be submitted to: Bureau of ATF, Firearms Technology Branch.

The NRA/GOA & John Birch nutjobs never like to talk about the gun bans imposed by Reagan (Mulford Act) and G.H.W. Bush ('89 AWB).

Here is a fine rebuttal to you socialist lefties that say it can't happen here.....

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=177117&page=5

It never ceases to amaze me how the liberal sheep baaa about rights of speech and press and expression but when it comes to the 2nd amendment, they want to curtail it. Why is that? Have any of you anti gun nuts ever lived in an area where guns were restricted?

Get real! there are/were areas in the U.S. that restricted the use, carry and even possession of common firearms just because some sheep felt threatened and passed laws. Fortunately those laws were overturned for the most part. But rights were and still are threatened.

Even here in the Northwest, Fish and Game laws prohibited the lawful carry of firearms during certain hunting seasons. Again, struck down!

This is not a country of "let's make laws to curtail rights so laws won't be broken, just in case".

If you don't like guns, don't own one! Be a sheep! Expect someone else to protect you and yours. It's OK! Just remember to say Baaaa!

posted 08-27-2006 07:23 PM08-27-2006 07:23 PM

1. ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS (an excellent read!)

email ^ | unknown | LTC(RET) Dave Grossman, RANGER,
Posted on 08/21/2006 4:26:47 PM PDT by Vermonter
Jill Edwards is one of the students at the University of Washington who did not want to honor Medal of Honor winner USMC Colonel Greg Boyington because she does not think those who serve in the U.S. Armed services are good role models. I think that this response is an excellent and thought provoking response.
General Dula is a Retired Air Force Lt Gen (3 Star Gen).
Gen. Dula's letter to the University of Washington student senate leader.
To: Edwards, Jill (student, UW)
Subject: Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs
Miss Edwards, I read of your 'student activity' regarding the proposed memorial to Col Greg Boyington, USMC and a Medal of Honor winner. I suspect you will receive a bellyful of angry e-mails from conservative folks like me. You may be too young to appreciate fully the sacrifices of generations of servicemen and servicewomen on whose shoulders you and your fellow students stand. I forgive you for the untutored ways of youth and your naïveté. It may be that you are, simply, a sheep. There's no dishonor in being a sheep - - as long as you know and accept what you are.
Please take a couple of minutes to read the following. And be grateful for the thousands - - millions - - of American sheepdogs who permit you the freedom to express even bad ideas.
Brett Dula Sheepdog, retired
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ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS
By LTC(RET) Dave Grossman, RANGER, Ph.D., author of "On Killing."
Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself. The question remains:
What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for?
- William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997 One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident."
This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another. Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.
Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep. I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me, it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.
"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.
"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf." If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.
Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.
The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours. Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports, in camouflage fatigues, holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa." Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.
The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.
Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero? Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed, right along with the young ones.
Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into "warriorhood", you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference. There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.
There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: Slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself. Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.
Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.
There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke- Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision. If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.
For example, many police officers carry their weapons in church. They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs. Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying a weapon. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.
I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"
Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them. Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones were attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"
It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up. Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear, helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.
Gavin de Becker puts it like this in "Fear Less", his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling." Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level. And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself..."Baa."
This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from "sheephood" and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.
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Outstanding post Jhook.

Outstanding cut-n-paste, Jtard.

Still haven't answered Bush and Reagan's Gun Bans.

They were introduced by LWNJs obviously. They had little to do with ownership. And like all LWNJ proposals they don't address the real problem. Punishment for the crime! Once liberals start to comprehend that bad people need to be punished and good people need to be left alone there will be little need for self protection.

Typical reply from a LWNJ. (Jtard!) Geez, I've been called worse than that by INTELLIGENT beings. Now get back on the turnip truck and put on your protective helmet. The little short bus will pick you up at the next stop.

You all think Obama is some kind of wimp against guns - you need to read this article, it proves he's a "killer"

http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume8/2008-1119-obama.html

It's an endless cycle.
Every time I see the gun nuts come out of their holes it makes me want to stock up on guns.

+1

The best reason I've seen yet to stock up on handguns was the past eight years of BushCorp. stealing our rights and money away right under our noses. The whole point of the 2nd Amendment is defense and the ability to toss out the tyrants...it's funny that the nuts feel the need to run out and get a bunch more guns now, since the threat is passed.

Kinda like closing the barn door after the cow's got out.

Fish on...

Todd

I'm always impressed by the stupidity some are willing to display.
The internet is a tremendous tool for that.
I am laughing at the price gouging going on in gun stores right now... especially for something labeled 'Colt'....ridiculous.
Glad I've been stocking up for the last 18mos...you couldn't have been surprised by the outcome of the election.

Please watch this link, especially the second half, for a description of why the second ammendment is precious.
Remember, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
If you've seen this before, forward to 3:40 for the real reason why the scond ammendment exists.
Also search Penn and Teller 2nd Ammendment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIeyn0-rdx4&feature=related