Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009
This bill was refered to the House Judiciary

OK, this is not about flaming any particular polical party.
This bill needs to die a very quick death.

US Congress bill tracking site:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45

The attached links to bill (HR 45) was introduced in Congress on 9 Jan 2009. Mandates licensing for all gun owners.
You would have to carry a photo ID firearms license.
A training class would be required to be licensed.
Disclosure of your storage method would be required for a license.
A thumb print would be required for a license.
Every sale would have to be recorded by the federal government.
If you move, and don't tell an Attorney General within 60 days, you are a criminal.
If a firearm is stolen and you don't report it, you are a criminal.
There would be no grandfathered firearms.
If you do not obtain a license and report every firearm you currently own, you are a criminal.
There would be a license fee and a fee for the "services" provided at purchase time.
Licenses would be required to be renewed every 5 years.

Offical Summary of the bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45&tab=summary

Offical Full Test of the bill.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-45

I already carry a firearm's license and was fingerprinted to get that, and it is good for a limited time and has to be renewed. Adding a photo wouldn't be an issue. All of my gun purchases were recorded by the Fed's, except for a few inheritances and private party buys. Guns go in the safe. Not much of an issue with these items.

Not hot on the training class, as I've had literally 100's of hours on that. The fees, and being a criminal if you move and forget to tell folks is an issue for me. Definitely not hot on registerring every single gun. I am certainly not telling them exactly what I have and where it is so they can come and get them.

Might just have a boating accident and lose them all overboard. Bummer.

Didn't we already have a snivelfest here about this issue a month or so ago? Or is this just deja vu all over again?

I am certainly not telling them exactly what I have and where it is so they can come and get them.

anyone who is for this bill should be pistol whipped.

What requirements do the criminals have in order to get a gun? Who is trying to protect who? I don't think anyone in america who knows how to opperate a gun needs any help defending themselves. I surely don't think the felons wh ohave illegal guns are gonna abide by a new law, let alone any of the ones they have been breaking to begin with.

What he said.

'Specially since I have at least one that doesn't officially exist and never has.

One of these "they's a-comin' fer our shootin' irons" threads pops up every 4 to 6 weeks like clockwork.
And it's not just this BBS. Almost every outdoors related BBS gets these.

Thanks for posting the info!

While this kind of legislation rarely gets through, we can't be silent when it comes up. If we keep quiet, this kinda crap will pass. Bill CLinton even acknowledge that the Democrats lost the election back in 2000 in large part because of their anti-2nd Amendment stance.

We have to be ever vigilant when our rights are being encroached upon.

Thanks again, man.

Many people will scream and holler NAZI's! These people are NAZI's!

Well stop and think about the 1934 NFA pushed thru (during a severe economic crisis). First all fully automatic weapons were registered to curb gun violence. Then they began upping the price of that registration fee from a nominal fee to something around $250/yr now, not to mention what the ATF does now when grandpa dies and the paperwork is not transferred within the very short transfer grace period extended to a grieving family.

Now here we are in 2009 they are screaming economic crisis, we need more governmental involvement to protect the masses from thugs and gangsters (be it white collar, blue collar, and baggy pants goons wearing hoodies robbing banks).

And now all these guys want to do is charge a $25/gun registration fee to curb gun violence.

Has America fell asleep and is history about to be repeated?

It's getting to be the "which line is best" thread of the Dark Side.

It's my personal definition of a gun nut. A gun is their personal security blanket. As so many more important things go on around them the only thing that riles the Linuses up is the paranoid perception that someone is going to take "my precious".

You can say that pretty easily if you've never had to draw one to protect yourself from harm. I've done it twice.

As someone else has said, the criminals won't obey the law, because they are, well, criminals. All this does is make law abiding citizens criminals.

"All this does is make law abiding citizens criminals."

Guns are notorius for that.

By the way I am not anti gun I am anti gun nut.

what exactly is a gun nut. someone who doesnt want any more laws placed on them for owing a firearm? you my friend are a DUMB ASS.

Stlhead, you sound like the GH. The calling of people who dont like the encroachment on rights of any kind gun nuts. Just shows what an anti-gun nut the two of you are. Sheep is the right word. Just because your party came up with it does not mean you have to follow. It is OK to call a turd a turd even if it is in your own toilet.

if you want to see just how well gun laws work, check out what's happening in BC. We have very restrictive laws on the owning, handling and usage of any sort of pistols and gangland murders are at an all time high so far in 2009. Every week this year there have been multiple murders. The bad guys will always have guns no matter how many laws or restrictions you put in place.

"what exactly is a gun nut. someone who doesnt want any more laws placed on them for owing a firearm? you my friend are a DUMB ASS."

This is your 8th post? Scroll up for my definition which you reinforce.

"Stlhead, you sound like the GH. The calling of people who dont like the encroachment on rights of any kind gun nuts. Just shows what an anti-gun nut the two of you are. Sheep is the right word. Just because your party came up with it does not mean you have to follow. It is OK to call a turd a turd even if it is in your own toilet"

Not for the bill. but it did bring out the gun nuts..scroll up for definition.

"if you want to see just how well gun laws work, check out what's happening in BC. We have very restrictive laws on the owning, handling and usage of any sort of pistols and gangland murders are at an all time high so far in 2009. Every week this year there have been multiple murders. The bad guys will always have guns no matter how many laws or restrictions you put in place."

Way less gun deaths than in the US and per cap so not a valid argument. Make sure I repeat this here for the GUN NUTS...I am not for the bill.

"Define "gun nut"."

Once again scroll up.

what does 8 posts have to do with anything. are you smarter because you make more posts on an internet fishing forum? so, that college education means nothing....i have to post more in the internet....brilliant.

oooh....burned by the old guy. im not a dumb ass, but the guy who says he has no problems with guns, but he does with gun owners qualifies for the title.

I am with Kevin Lund on this one! How about they enforce the laws they already have before adding new ones? Seems simple enough? Why keep trying to make law abiding citizens criminals? Oh yeah because those are the ones they can control.
Buck

OK I'll modify my definition of gun nut:

A gun nut is someone who sits by while his rights under the constitution are being eroded UNTIL someone dregs up some obscure bill, which will never pass, about some sort of regulation on gun ownership. Then this person, whom I call a gun nut, starts frothing at the mouth. Also known as a Dewbie.

Once again, thanks D-Squared for bringing this to our attention. I appreciate it man.

All we need to do is to ignore the little trolls, stlhead, go harley, etc. who are posting just to hear themselves squeal and to bask in the attention that they receive. It's obviously a topic that they do not care about. They just want to mess themselves in public as it were.

Again, thanks for the heads up man. That's info we need to hear.

cant argue that.

Doc's pud, I made my living with a weapon for over 20 years. I still work in an environment identified by weaponry. I own a gun. STFU and go hide in your closet so they don't take your Daisy Red Ryder.

Oh, and take elk turd with you, too. He sounds so scared he just may make poopy in his pants.

If people don't fight obscure bills they will become law.

Bingo Jerry! Pretty simple!
Buck

GH,
Nice to see when you cant come up with a logical arguement you find name calling and your little "STFU" to be useful. Shows what type of guy you are and the type of people that suport these bills.
And for the record(nd to stoop to your level for one moment), your cap gun you wore in the San Fran castro parade for you policeman outfit does not count as a firearm.
Jerry,
Agreed 100%.

Here's some additional info on this from the National Shooting Sports Foundation. The NSSF is a damn good outfit. You all take care now.

http://capwiz.com/nssf/issues/alert/?alertid=12529846

Where were you while the RWWJ's were encroaching all of other rights in the last eight years? Cleaning your guns? Reading Soldier of Fortune?

Fish on...

Todd

not that i am a bush fan, but what rights are you talking about? and why is it a bad thing to take care of your firearms? they need to be cleaned after every use.

Read the patriot act.

+1

It seems that the "rights advocates" in any gun discussion don't seem to mind the trampling of virtually all other rights, so long as they don't touch their guns.

It's not about rights for them, no matter how they couch it...it's about guns.

I don't even think that's a bad thing, I just think they should admit it and not pretend otherwise.

Fish on...

Todd

It's threads like this that make me wanna shoot holes through my monitor screen, even though JerryGarcia made the only real point to be concerned about..... well, and the point about that patriot act thingy too.... and maybe the part where Todd asked people to 'fess up'. crap, now I don't feel like shooting anything.

i am definately not a rules man and am never for any kind of bill or legislation where more rules will be imposed on me, but i have never been directly affected by the Patriot Act and have never meet anyone who has. Have you? any kind of new law that makes it either more expensive or difficult for me to own a gun would affect me directly and really piss me off.

dumbie, are you as dumb as you seem?

Dewbie-

Under the patriot act, if you have in your possession a gallon can of gasoline, 3in1 oil, and certain brands of fertilizer, you can be labeled a terrorist by our government, stripped of your constitutional rights (including your guns), and shipped off to a location to be named later. Most people have these items in their garden/tool shed. Do you see how this is a problem? It's no different than if Hitler declared you an 'enemy of the fatherland' - you are toast.

The only thing I've seen driving the price of firearms up is the panic buying by people that are hysterical about laws that haven't been passed or enacted yet. And, if you were thinking about it, why would you spend money on firearms that you claim the government is going to take away from you anyway?

Don't listen to me though, I stuck a curtain hanger in an a.c. outlet as a child and it's completely ruined my ability to freak out.

You are far from logical in your arguments, and there was nothing to debate in your asisine assumptions. Contrary to your delusional postulation, I am not anti-firearm. And I do not support the above mentioned bill. Nor do I support irrational cowering whiners that soil themselves from sniveling convulsions everytime a gun issue comes up.

I was just counting down to how long it would take someone to say that if it didn't affect them personally, it's OK to trample your constitutional rights.

Guess, what.........no gun legislation has ever affected me personally. So is it OK if I don't give a sh!t about efforts to trample on the 2nd Amendment? DC gun ban.......didn't affect me. I guess it's cool to ban guns in DC, then?

Get your head out. It's NEVER good when the gov't tramples your Constitutional rights, whether it affects you personally or not. The reason is, first it's "their" rights being trampled..........then it's your rights.

The rights granted you by the Constitution are what makes you a free American. Only some Commie should be OK with ANYONE losing the rights given them by the greatest document ever written.

im not the one calling myself sara palin.

right...because that happens all the time. you seem a bit paranoid. i never said i was for the patriot act. i just said i have never heard of anyone being affected by it. i havent bought any new guns for a while....they are to darn expensive. i prefer getting the tried and true guns. also, i never said i was worried about this new gun bill happening....that was just assumed by some people here.

i agree with you. i didnt specify my feelings correctly. i dont like any kind of government control....ever. i meant to say that i would be more concerned with something that affects me personally then with something that doesnt.....

That's how the government operates. First their rights, then yours.

You should be concerned with all erosions of the Constitution, not just those that afeect you.

Of course I sound paranoid, I told you I was shocked to sh1t when I was little The point is, IT DOES AFFECT YOU RIGHT NOW! It is a convenient way to deprive you of your constitutional rights at the drop of a hat. It does not matter that it hasn't happened to you yet, it's on the books and can be used abusively (as if there were a non-abusive use for this kind of BS) against you. Don't get uppity with "the man" and good luck.