#492939 - 03/04/09 03:33 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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Well when you are in the military, everyone who does a certain job, or holds a certain rank I guess would be more accurate, gets paid the same, right ? A GS pay scale ............right ? The get a socialized form of health care, without a doubt. So.................Is the military already socialist, with Obama playing 'catch up' ? thats not even relevant.....that is a pay structure for a "business"
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#492947 - 03/04/09 03:38 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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#492948 - 03/04/09 03:38 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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i would prefer to live in a free country where the lazy wouldnt make the same as the people who work hard. Yeah, in this country the lazy can make a lot more than the hard workers, just by being wealthy already. From 2001 to 2007 the top 5% income households increased 9% in wealth while middle income rose 3%. Speaks loud and clear, doesn't it. so you want to punish them by taxing them more because why? you didnt get any? im sure their wealth increased because of sound investments. it is their money, who cares how much they have or how much it increased? it shouldn't be anybody else's business
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#492952 - 03/04/09 03:43 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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MPD
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i would prefer to live in a free country where the lazy wouldnt make the same as the people who work hard. Yeah, in this country the lazy can make a lot more than the hard workers, just by being wealthy already. From 2001 to 2007 the top 5% income households increased 9% in wealth while middle income rose 3%. Speaks loud and clear, doesn't it. so you want to punish them by taxing them more because why? you didnt get any? im sure their wealth increased because of sound investments. it is their money, who cares how much they have or how much it increased? it shouldn't be anybody else's business Dewb- I didn't say anything about punishing them. Due to a favorable tax system, the wealthiest people in america pay less percentage wise than the middle class - that does not seem fair to me, they should at least pay as much percentage wise as anyone else. A true patriot wants to pay as much to his/her government as possible, especially in these troubled times.
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#492960 - 03/04/09 03:49 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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[quote=Pisco Sicko] i would prefer to live in a free country where the lazy wouldnt make the same as the people who work hard. Yeah, in this country the lazy can make a lot more than the hard workers, just by being wealthy already. From 2001 to 2007 the top 5% income households increased 9% in wealth while middle income rose 3%. Speaks loud and clear, doesn't it. so you want to punish them by taxing them more because why? you didnt get any? im sure their wealth increased because of sound investments. it is their money, who cares how much they have or how much it increased? it shouldn't be anybody else's business Dewb- I didn't say anything about punishing them. Due to a favorable tax system, the wealthiest people in america pay less percentage wise than the middle class - that does not seem fair to me, they should at least pay as much percentage wise as anyone else. A true patriot wants to pay as much to his/her government as possible, especially in these troubled times. [/quote] im not sure where you got your facts from, but you might want to double check.
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#492969 - 03/04/09 03:55 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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Which math classes were you skipping in school? None. I scored 200 points higher on my SAT than our class valedictorian In all fairness though, she was a paper pusher, not a savant. Here's a quote from the linked article: Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece
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#492971 - 03/04/09 03:59 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 11/01/06
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Dewb-
I didn't say anything about punishing them. Due to a favorable tax system, the wealthiest people in america pay less percentage wise than the middle class - that does not seem fair to me, they should at least pay as much percentage wise as anyone else. A true patriot wants to pay as much to his/her government as possible, especially in these troubled times. [/quote]
Mike, Have you ever read how the tax system works? Please tell me this was a joke. This is the type of crap we expect from KK backed up by some cut and paste from some obscure never disclosed lwwj internet sight past off as fact. We have a graduated tax scale in this country and the "rich" pay far more than anyone else. Not only more because of higher income but a much higher % as well. And that % is on its way up.
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#492979 - 03/04/09 04:05 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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Please refer to the linked article. Also, do you really think Warren Buffet would be hurt by paying the same percentage as his secretary? He's the third richest man in the world, I think he can afford to pay. The worst offenders are the corporations however.... PS Buffet mentions in the article that he DID NOT TRY FOR TAX BREAK INCENTIVES when he was taxed at 17.7% - he could have paid an even lower percentage.
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#492983 - 03/04/09 04:12 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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Juvenille at Sea
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The worst offenders are the corporations however.... stir
You mean like this? WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most U.S. and foreign corporations doing business in the United States avoid paying any federal income taxes, despite trillions of dollars worth of sales, a government study released on Tuesday said. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1249465620080812?sp=true
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#492985 - 03/04/09 04:16 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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MPD
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Pisco! And as further evidence of my tinfoil hattery, notice how my article and yours are from foreign news agencies? That's proof that it's all lies, lies I tell ya!
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#492989 - 03/04/09 04:33 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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Juvenille at Sea
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God forbid that we should have health care results comparable to those socialist Europeans. Health Care
Similarly on health care, the Obama administration can learn from what works in Europe. The World Health Organization (WHO) rates European countries as having the best health care systems in the world, spending, on average, far less than the United States for universal coverage and quality results. France has the top-rated health care system, while the United States is ranked 37th - just ahead of Cuba and Slovenia. In the Czech Republic, a proposal to introduce a 30 K? co-payment per office visit nearly toppled the government, as health care is considered a basic right in the social contract.
The United States ranks 28th in the world in infant mortality, at seven deaths per 1,000 live births, tied with Poland and Slovakia, and substantially higher than Sweden (3.4 deaths), France (4.3 deaths) and Germany (4.5 deaths). In life expectancy, the United States ranks 29th, its 77 years lags behind Italy (81 years), France (80 years), Sweden (81 years) and Germany (79 years), and about the same level as South Korea (76 years) and Cuba (77 years). The United States has fewer per capita physicians, nurses and hospital beds, fewer MRI and CT scanners than the average for other advanced nations, and has the highest rate of medical errors (receiving the wrong medication, incorrect test results, a mistake in treatment or late notification about abnormal results). Due to excessively high out-of-pocket expenses, Americans are also much more likely than citizens of other nations to skip recommended follow-up care, fail to fill prescriptions and forgo doctors' visits altogether, things which exacerbate health problems and lead to preventable suffering and more expensive treatments down the road.
In addition to providing better health coverage, somehow Europe also manages to spend less. According to the WHO, the United States spends the equivalent of 16.5 percent of its economy on health care, about $6,100 per person, compared to an average 8.6 percent in EU countries. France spends just $3,500 per person, or about 10.7 percent of its economy. As Dr. Christopher Murray, director of WHO's Global Program on Evidence for Health Policy, says, "Basically, you die earlier and spend more time disabled if you're an American rather than a member of most other advanced countries." http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2009/learning_europe_10234
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#492993 - 03/04/09 04:46 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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Spawner
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How were the political arguments productive ?
Besides, I still think you live at you parents house.
Anybody who sides with Alan Keyes is sort of out there to begin with, obviously not worth the time to take seriously.
You're good for a few eye rolls and head shakes when reading your posts, but not much else.
Your definition of scialism showed that much.
and i think you like it in the ass, but its just an assumption. Alan Keyes is a cool dude and the fact that you think he is a "wingnut" isnt surprising seeing as you have the mental capacity of a three year old....what is wrong with my definition of socialism? do you have a better one?
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#492999 - 03/04/09 04:57 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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MPD
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Dewb- I guess we're done talking about the tax system Also, you'll probably be shocked to know that I'm a registered republican. Unfortunately for me, that would be more like an Eisenhower republican.
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#493001 - 03/04/09 05:02 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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Spawner
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You're obsessed with homosexual behavior, aren't ya dewbie ? Admit it, you're a closeted Larry Craig type, aren't ya ? Republicans here seem absolutely consumed by gay sex acts, seeing as they post about them all the time. Better not let your Mom see that one, she'll take away your X-box......... you didnt answer the question
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#493005 - 03/04/09 05:11 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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Also, you'll probably be shocked to know that I'm a registered republican. Does that mean you are forced to wear an ankle GPS unit and report to both your counselor and parole officer on a daily or weekly basis? Oh wait, that's a registered sex offender. My mistake. The two are so closely related....
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#493007 - 03/04/09 05:13 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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Dick Nipples
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If that's your definition of socialisam, dewbie, then you are definitely getting your news from Hannity or Rush...expand your horizons a bit.
Calling the U.S. or anything happening here right now "socialist" would make as much sense as calling the past 8 years "good for our country"...
Fish on...
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#493010 - 03/04/09 05:16 PM
Re: It only took Obama 40 days to.
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MPD
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Also, you'll probably be shocked to know that I'm a registered republican. Does that mean you are forced to wear an ankle GPS unit and report to both your counselor and parole officer on a daily or weekly basis? Oh wait, that's a registered sex offender. My mistake. The two are so closely related.... Just because Eisenhower was bald, doesn't mean he was gay. I don't even know what that means. Now, go chase some skunks daggumbit!
Edited by Mikespike (03/04/09 05:17 PM)
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