again, no evidence....but nice long post!!

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A claim of expertise followed by personal attacks? Sounds like someone is afraid to address the merits of my arguments...

....and if your strategem here is to rile me up enough to respond to those attacks, prepare to fail, as the period at the end of this sentence is the last thing you, j7, will ever hear directed to you from me again.

Eric

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Okay, Ill be the a-hole and ask: If there was no one there when the towers fell, would they still have made a sound been blown up?

Have any witnesses come forward saying that they saw someone in the buildings days, weeks, or months before 9-11 stripping sheathing off the columns, setting shape charges and running wires to a controller?

One would think that it would take more than a few well placed explosives to bring down a building...

Maybe the bad guys (Muslims) had a voo-doo doll of the buildings, and just stomped on them when time to come down...like a redneck stomping a beer can.

Muslim beer can theory > collapse by fire theory

I guess you're going to have to find a similar building, crash a fueled up jet into it, and burn it like crazy, burn it twice as much as the 911 fires, and have'er still standing tall at the end of the day...

h2o have you been sniffing thermite dust again!?!?!?

maybe... but it beats the heck out of drinking the 'collapse by fire' kool aid.

btw, did you know that the manufacture of nanothermite is strictly controlled and traceable? Did you know that the manufacture of nanothermite post-dates the building of the WTC complex and can be ruled out as having been used in the buildings construction?

I'm hearing that the next paper will detail the time and place of manufacture of this explosive. Hopefully this will lead to a perfectly reasonable explanation for there being a substance in the WTC dust whose sole known purpose is in explosive weaponry....

....few will even read these reports. Most will continue to look away or cry 'conspiracy' while attacking the messenger.

While debating fishing politics endlessly on the 'bright side' have we learned anything at all about the side of an argument who uses such tactics? I mean, we've even had a self-desribed 'expert' come in here and attack, not the arguments whose premises he should be able to so easily brush aside, but the messenger. This folks is fear in action and the very reaction those perpetrating the crime knew would come.

So while the peanut gallery continues to jump in and chide me for being a kook (....and much worse!!)I continue to strengthen my case unchallenged by argument. Discourse v. red-faced handwaving.....this is a clue people.

Just so the argument remains clearly focused, I'll repeat...'nanothermite found in the WTC dust undermines the official story, collapse by fire, while strengthening the 'controlled demolition' theory.'

h2o-

I hope I haven't pissed you off, I just like to have fun with difficult topics.

So, forget the whole attacks on the buildings for a minute - my question is how did the airlines allow groups of men to buy one-way tickets, pay with cash, and obviously be of some ethnicity other than white, northern european male, when they had been informed by our government to NEVER LET ANYONE GET ON A PLANE UNDER ANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS!!!

More fuel for the fire - sorry, it was explosives

Mike---Remember you have to throw out logic and reason and facts....

My experience of controlled demolition pretty much consists of watching the discovery channel... That being said... On all of the shows that I have watched on the subject it takes these demolition experts weeks and sometimes months to strip walls and columns of sheathing in order to expose steel and plant charges. They also drill holes in concrete columns and walls in order to plant charges in them. The charges are then set off in a calculated sequence in order to get the controlled demolition.

I want to know how the perpetrators were able to do this without being noticed in the first place? Also, how were the explosives, wires, and detonators able to remain stable amidst a raging inferno until they were set off?

I just dont buy it...

Easy.

Those "first responders" who supposedly risked their lives on 9/11 to save others?

Not so.

They were really deep cover "agents" sent in there to bring down the Twin Towers via planned precision explosions. Years of planning made the operation a breeze. Get in after the plane(s) hit the building which has already exposed the inner workings of the towers. Drill a few holes, plant a few explosives and Blammo.

Down comes the towers. Nice. Neat. Clean. No (or very little) evidence and it can all be blamed on Al-Queda and Osama Bin Laden - which we (the MIGHTY US OF A) still can't seem to locate or "kill". Coincidence? I think not. Osama is just the brain child of Reagan - passed on to the Bushes and the Republican Party to keep "hope" alive in America.

They (the agents) sacrificed themselves for "the cause", man.

Sheesh.

You should get me started on the Global Banking Conspiracy. That's a doozy!

"Sometimes I feel like a nut. Sometimes I don't...."

these are the exact questions I am looking for people to ask....because the answers are readily available if you actually take the time to look for them as opposed to merely asking them.

Has anyone ever looked at the blueprints to the twin towers? Its design allowed for access to all the major steel support structures in the building from the elevator shafts. Access to the elevator shafts = opportunity.

I wonder what kinds of work were being performed on the towers in the weeks preceding their collapse? I wonder if that information is available to the public? I wonder if anyone besides myself can find the information on the internet?

I wonder why we are so quick to hold our first responders up as heroes but, when 500 of them supply oral testimony (suppressed by bloomberg, released by court order) that they heard explosions, we are so quick to dismiss them? My contention is that it's fear, people are afraid to peel back the layers because they are afraid of what they'll find.

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I'm pulling a total 180 here folks. I edited my drama as far back as I could. I was the true terrorist in this thread. After watching and reading awhile; it hit me square in the face. I know exactly what happened. I'd explain it to ya fishn' but no way in hell over the interwebs.

h2o...yer the man......I really did not want to re-visit that day but getting all riled up forced me to look again. My mind has been changed.

It was asking and then seeking out the answer to questions like:

"I want to know how the perpetrators were able to do this without being noticed in the first place?"

...that is what turned this argument for me. Every time I'd come up with a question like this and look for the answer, I'd find it staring me in the face.

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A heightened WTC security alert was lifted on 9/6/2001...

"The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed."

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...there was a power down in WTC 2 the weekend before 9/11...

On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower."

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.....ask yourself the following question: "Why is it that when I question the official story all I can come up with is more questions, and when I question the 'conspiracy theory' I consistently find CORROBORATING EVIDENCE?" To do this of course you have to actually question the official story, something which most people just don't have the stomach for.

they were probably finished searching the builidng and didn't find anything... same thing happens everyday at the ferry terminal when the dogs are done searching the cars they are abruptly removed.



Door locks and security camera are usually on emergency power circuits and still work when the main power is shut down... Also when there is a power outage for typical tenant improvements, electrical and mechanical engineers come in and out to inspect the work... Now, if they were documented as being demolitions engineers... you may be onto something...


dude, this is not evidence this is the normal operations of a building...