Very true. Unfortunately the nature of the beast is that everyone feels they should get what they feel they are entitled to. Everyone wants the other guy to give up their right. No one is willing to give an inch. I have said for years, since I was about twelve actually, that I would give my rights to fish and hunt for ten of fifteen years so that my kids would have the ability to enjoy the things that I had when I was growing up. That offer still stands. There has always been a lot of talk about how the previous generations did things without thinking too hard about the consequences that would arise. I say that we are doing the same thing. We continue to harvest a percentage of what is there. That is a recipe for disaster, obviously. It would seem to me that if there is a season that allows tribes to harvest that you would be able to harvest in small numbers over a long period. In turn keeping a closer eye on the populations of things. Rather, there is a mass harvest of everything at once and then there is the knee jerk reaction to the problem. Or not, and then everyone bitches about the problem all the while not doing anything about it. We all have to give up something in order to accomplish anything. Kind of Obamaish, but i don't really see a better way. In the mean time, everyone can take the time that they would spend participating in the activities that we enjoy and make a contribution to said activities (not just with money) and put some man hours into the habitat and what not. Just a thought.

Can't wait to hit the skok to see the piles of chrome fish laying on the bottom with all the eggs torn out. Oh wait the kicker of awesomeness is the hoodsport deal where the tribe comes to the beach sells some fish then takes the rest and dumps em over board. That just seems so authentic, cherish the land, the supposed native american dies and becomes the Egal, that sure as hell isn't an example of such. Major bull sh**. Thanks to the memebers of tribes that follow the RULES but you're dropping the ball big time on enforcing rules on the dip sh**s that share your perks/privileges. Maybe even consider not taking the limit but just what is needed. I hate this topic, I hate the treaty, I hate the waste of natural resources soon to bo g-g-g-ggone. Maybe Edgar and Jonas can figure it out.

I didn't mean for everyone to start bashing on this thread.
Those are both a couple of nice bulls.
I was wondering why they were taken so early?
If the season starts on July first then there is my answer.
I was also wondering if there is any kind of bag limit, and I said I am sure there is.
Tribal land has biologists that moniter the health of the fish and wildlife hence setting the seasons and limits.
Because of the population density of the tribes compared to the rest of the state the limits are sometimes more liberal on tribal land.
I know this because My granddaughters father works as a biologist for the Puyallup tribe.
As far as native american hunting off the tribal land I believe the treatys have the wording All Of the accustomed places or something to that effect.
I Think the fact of the matter is, with all of the hunters and fishermen we have these days on top of urban development and land loss we are being slowly crowded out of places to hunt and fish. And I don't know about anyone else but, that is the way I was brought up and is a part of my heritage.
Instead of bashing each other maybe we should start looking for ways to save our heritage joining Rocky mountain Elk foundation D.U Or one of the many groups out there and giving back to the fish and game we have taken over the years.
Who knows maybe someday we'll be able to take our great grandson fishing in a pond that was once destined to become a strip mall.
Ramprat

I don't have a problem with hunting, fishing, clamming, shrimping, skiing, drinking, or anything elso you can think of side by side with anyone. WTF, like I said it's 2009. Who ever thought there would be a black pres.? Who ever thought the gays would be were they are today? We don't call blacks the "N" word anymore. We no longer have slaves. You can go on and on with examples...Who ever thought we would be running out of the most presious(sp) things in life? Point being the indians use 2009 tech. and act like it 1800? Wait a minute they didn't waste a thing back in 1800, everything was used from the bones to the meet! I'm really surprised in some cases things haven't gotten worse quicker! Why do they have to have there own nation? Can't we all just live as one?

Pug. - You make some very good points. All I know is I give up more and more every year to prolong the resources by law weather I want to or not. Just seems like they should be doing the same!

GOD DAMN I HATE THIS SUBJECT! MAKES MY BLOOD BOILLLLLLLLLL!

We don't see anything from our casino, so don't even go there. My son just killed his first elk yesterday, a nice 3x4. it was a great day!!!!!!!!!! And why buy meat when you can kill your own food! Catch your own fish and live of the land! They were nice bulls and i'm sure they will eat good, i know ours will. roast, burger and some great jerky! can't wait. i will continue to hunt for other people and "rape" the resource and enjoy every minute, because i'm allowed to, and in 1890 we were still hunting in what is now the Olympic National Park. i wake up every morning wondering what to do after work, hunt or fish? life is good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rape the resorce thats the attitude to have, thats something else.

mstar----When you folks shoot a whale with a .460WBY or whatever high powered ancestral weapon was granted to you from the BIA and the 2 stroke fumes hang low and heavy in the air from the "native" hunt and after all the dust settles and the cluster fu ck is over do you still hunt Elk? Or does that whale sustain you and yours thru the winter? Do you still burn that oil to bring light to the trailer? I doubt you'll get any chit for "livin off the land" from most here but everyone has to eat..not just injuns. My ancestors hunted and fed themselves off the land just like yours.

BTW----I don't see near the amount of game in Neah as years past....but the gals out there could be eatin' it all from what I've seen.

I'd be there to help them reload that ammo.

As a percentage of the population the local tribes take a small share of the big game out there across the state. That balance shifts greatly when it comes to the fish resources.

Whoa, lots of mud slinging going on here. Don't get me wrong. I am just as aggravated as the next guy when I watch the nets go in. As far as I am concerned there is nothing that is ancestral about it. Nor the taking of mass quantities of game. I think it is worthy to note that when the Makah did their first whale hunt in 2004 or whatever the year was, everyone was invited to attend the "feast" and partake. So I can't say that they were just being greedy by wanting to do the hunt. I honestly believe that there is a deep rooted ancestral involvement in it. The last whale that was taken illegally was done so by a bunch of dimwits that decided to take matters into their own hands. Just like anyone else that does something stupid, they are representing a group of people. Regardless of whether or not it is intentional. I think it is worthy of note that the powers that be in the Makah nation were going about business in the correct manner, i.e. red tape and political bull. They were being stalled by the government in one way or another for quite sometime. Point being, they are entitled, right or wrong.

In the mean time, the REAL enemy is grinding away at our rights with the funding from over paid morons with dispensible income searching for a place to quantify their own self righteous cause and existence. At this point, the self destructive squabbling amongst tribes and sportsman alike needs to come to a halt, form one front and go after the true enemy here. The people that change the names of salmon and steelhead to "SeaKittens."

After that we can all go back to throwing mud at each other and bitching about all the fish they take and animals they kill.

Midnight rant complete. By the way, I have absolutely no proof or anything else of the sort that could hold water to back anything I said. Just like everyone else here, I blow off steam under the guise of an avatar that may or may not be me and a name that speaks for itself. (that is an attempt at lightening the mood just a smidgen)

It don't matter what year it is, what you say or what you do, things are not going to change So what, a indian killed two elk to feed a couple familys, and that's not fair because me and the rest of the cowboys can't play right now:( And we don't have whale hunting in our treaty so we can't hunt them or we probably would, i know we would. you know the saying, use it or lose it! Edgar and Jonas are just a couple HOQUATS from OLY, I think i've taking them fishing here on the Quinault for steelhead. One of them sold some kind of hook called "VISION" HOOKS? seen hin stopped by a tribal cop once, bout [censored] his pants..... funny as hell.........

They are not called "Savages" by accident and simply haven't the faculties alotted the vast majority of society...largely because inbreeding is tough on any gene pool.

I've never seen a more dense people,that has such blatant disregard for themselves and their surroundings,while extolling same(though unintentionally,which does add copiously to the inherent humor). A more wasteful people does not exist.

Funny thing about Savages is, one never knows if they are bitching or bragging in regards to their heritage,but noone with a choice would touch same with a ten-foot pole.

Such humor is tough to trump.

Crap, for a second there, I thought you were talking about the wild steelhead and salmon in our state......

Thank goodness that's not the case. Right?

Escapement must be managed at the Estuary level,otherwise you are relegating fish from an unknown system and feigning an actual impact upon the stream proper.

Injuns ain't the weakest link,despite giving it their all.

Good stuff. Have another pull and post on.

It is what it is and your reticence is well founded.

Guteaters haven't the faculties nor inclination to help themselves,which is a niggling constant in their Heritage...which spirals downwards in obvious fashion.

They bitch,they moan and then rally with their hands out to quantify a faux existence that is FAR from their means. In fairness the only things Injuns have invented are laziness,incest and bad breath from smoked fish.

Hardly a Swan Swong in that library.

Damn.

I'm learning all kinds of good stuff today. Can't wait to get home to share. Thanks.

Lucky for you,the Lesson is priced right.

I was going to mention I'd pay for some of these reads.

If you could effectively arrange Savage "intellect" into the course of discussion,under the guise of debate...I'd happily pay to read likewise.

Obviously,those stars can't be aligned,thus the lopsided chorus of common sense and the practice to refrain payment upon such shortcomings.

General Custer comes to mind, but maybe he was just a dumbass so that don't count.