Why not just look at every other industralized nation and pay for it the same way they do. And before everyone starts whining about more taxes, consider this:

10 countries with socialized healthcare pay lower overall taxes (including social security) than the US (married employee with two children earning a $91,000 salary) according to Mercer, an international consulting firm.

Well, you gotta admit, that's pretty funny right there.

Fish on...

Todd

Yeah, but they're socialists...or are they Islamo-fascists? Committed treason?

I can't keep all the RWWJ labels straight on a Friday night...

Fish on...

Todd

Kill 9 out of every 10 Lawyers,cease the flood of Immigrant Welches,make folks accountable and they'll either sink or swim.

I'm more than a whole lot happy to pay my share and I find it curious that I'm in the minority for the train of thought.

Though my pride does keep me from many things that are seemingly in vogue. I'm good with that.

Speaking of Steve Larsen from earlier, I just heard a sound bite attrtibuted to his Town Hall meeting:

"I have facts on my side; you have Glenn Beck."

Too funny.

Many here,are "educated" beyond their intelligence.

Classic.

KK...you are such a class act. Have I seen your best stuff? Because if I have, you are lacking, my friend.

What is it you said? Answer the question, that's it. Well? Answer the question, KK. HOW is the financing going to work for "the plan"? I realize you can't give the hard figures, but that is not what I'm asking, is it?

My guess is that if I choose to NOT participate in the gr8 O give away, that I'll be paying for it as well as my own coverage, BECAUSE it won't fly by itself now will it?

Oh that's right you had to run away.....that's OK...try to ignore the question when you get back and I'll just ask it again.

BTW, I hadn't left the scene. I was outside, started a campfire and sat with my wife with a cup of coffee watching a coyote play with one of our dogs. It really was pretty cool. The coyote would come out of the bushes into the field and just sit there waiting for the dog to come over. While the dog barked, the tail never quit wagging. The two never touched noses, but were not far apart...one in the bushes and one in the field. This went on for at least a half hour, involving a half dozen encounters. I get the feeling that my dog and this coyote know each other as I have seen the dog more than once run after an unknown entity with her tail wagging. Any way, that's what I was doing....too bad you missed it. Something about "living" in all that, you know?

Ah, back to the present.
4Salt...it's not about what KK says when he's spouting political history....the man's a freaking encyclopedia. I'll give him his due on that. It's more about what he doesn't say, which equates to lying by omission....and the method in which he delivers his "goods". Do you think I'm wrong about the way government insurance will have to be paid for? He can't refute it, so he tries to paint me as an intellectual moron because I'm not interested in the same stuff he is, and I've asked a question for which he has no acceptable answer. Lame. How can you not get that?

The name calling, "death panel" focus, accusations......all really poor ways to sell a point, IMO.

Run KK, run.....you'll be right there when you get there. And I'll be right here when you get back.

I received an email forwarded from a friend of mine last week that had commentary from former Senator Fred Thompson (yes – the actor/senator and former presidential candidate). Except for the content, it was identical to emails I fielded during the campaign that spread FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) about Obama the candidate. They used the time spread between when they’d release a rumor (plausible or not) and when it’d gets debunked to sow seeds of doubt.

Now – they’re at it again!

Sure there are the crazy things like Sarah Palin’s Death Panel and the town hall staged responses, etc… But then there are the seemingly plausible commentaries that sound just true enough and cite enough passages in legislation that they must at least be a little true and a little disconcerting.

What I/we (the we being all Americans) need you to do:

1) Go to the white house website where they straighten out what’s going on and call out some of the most egregious myths/rumors being spread: http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/. That will equip you to at least respond to some of the crap we have in this thread.

2) Send this website out to your email list, put it as your Facebook status, tweet about it .

3) When you receive any of these horrendous emails, reply to the person who sent you the email with the URL – but also send it to all of the other email addresses that they invariably left in the email string.

Here are the 3 principles Obama has stated he believes a House & Senate bill must contain/do:

· reduce costs
· guarantee choice
· make quality health care affordable for all


Oh – and as a preview to the next big crisis that needs to be solved, all I can say is – read Tony Wagner’s the Global Achievement Gap.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/

THE GWEAT AND TEWWIBLE OZ HAS SPOKEN!!!!!! Oh, wait thats the other guy thats full of himself.

Words of wisdom from a guy that changes Ted Nugent's depends.

Very true....I have no idea why them lyin' scum suckin' democraps would need to plant a fake doctor at a townhall...


http://www.thebigfeedblog.com/2009/08/bustedagain-democrats-caught-planting.html


In an e-mail to the Chronicle on Thursday morning, Mayer confirmed she is not a licensed physician.

"I have been advised to refrain from making any further statements," she said.

In the initial story about the event, the Chronicle reported that she was a doctor based on her claim at the meeting.

Today, Jackson Lee denied knowing Mayer and said she was not planted as a friendly voice in the crowd.

Horswell's story, time-stamped at of 10:46 a.m. CT as of the time of this post (saved here at my host for future reference) has the same URL to which Patterico linked, meaning that Horswell's current renditon has effectively flushed all previous versions down the Chron's memory hole.

Horswell still hasn't told readers that Mayer was an Obama delegate. Patterico commenter "mike in houston" reports direct e-mail evidence from Horswell that the Chron reporter has known this from the very beginning of this sordid episode and has chosen not to disclose. Mayer's status as a delegate, along with additional "coincidences" reported at LoneStarTimes.com, would tend to severely if not fatally dent the credibility of Jackson Lee's claim not to know her -- even beyond the hug picture with Mayer and Lee the Chron has already published.

All the LWWJs led by Captain Todd And the Kotex Kid really need to take a step back and listen to what the lefty talk show hosts are spewing. Rhandi Rhodes, the conspiracy queen, Mike Malloy, the satan worshipper and foul mouth king of all time, even Rachael Maddow, least inflammatory of the bunch came up with this prize winning deduction today. North Carolina took a poll of right wingers. 74% were "unsure" of where Obama was born. 12% of these did not know Hawaii was a state. Out of this she deduced that 86% of right wingers deny Barrack is a citizen and they also denied the "existence" of Hawaii. Talk about stretching the truth! I can't begin to count the number of people who asked when booking a trip to our lodge in Alaska, if they needed a visa. No I didn't ask their political affiliation. I just took their credit cards. Left or right I didn't care.

As far as where Bammy was born? My daughter was born in Okinawa in a military hospital while I was serving there in the 60s. Officers were flying their wives to Guam so they could claim natural born citizenship. We had to prove her citizenship to get back into the US at Travis AFB a year later. She has since had to prove her birth to the State of California so she could get her CDL. Ahhh the land of fruits, nuts and Pelosi! The most liberal State in the US outside the State of Portland and even they can't get it right!
My daughter has since kept a file of her birth records just in case it comes up again. But Bammy? No we are just supposed to take his word for it. I mean he is important and all that right? Besides he gets to play the race card.

Rhodes laughs at silly things like end of life counseling questions by the right. But then she swears she knows for a fact that the Bush family are all pedophiles and had little boys brought to the White House for their pleasure! What kind of sick fawks are these left wing talk show people who now heap ridicule on legitimate questions and protests by right wingers at town hall meetings?

So go ahead and blame Rush, Hannity, Savage and Coulter. Then get yoru own house in order!

Damn Bush and those Republicans! Just got a letter today from PERS. Our supplemental medicare ins. premiums will be going up because Medicare is paying less! Oh wait! Bush is gone! Who could it be cutting Medicare?

Also for those who think Medicare is a government run plan. Guess again! Medicare turns over all the money to private insurance companies who then operate the supplemental programs. And because the gov. is cutting funds those dastardly private companies are going to have to raise rates again!

They're already running themselves in circles attacking a public option, and have found themselves in the unenviable position of attacking it by saying how great it works in other contexts...it will become clear that that's what they're doing, but I'm not so sure they even have the wherewithall to see that they are doing exactly that at this point.

Fish on...

Todd

and another thing, how does the POTUS get off on touring the country on his political campaign on our dime?

'spool,

Given your track record,I find it far from suprising that your Trump Card is a fascination of Ted Nugent's ass.

Though you are at the mercy of your "intelligence"...which is more than punishment enough.

Coming from a wingnut chickenhawk wannabe ballwaher, I'll take it as a compliment.

Again...feel free to refrain iterations(s) of your copious shortcomings,up to and including comprehension.

For conversation Ted is a whopping 60yrs old.

Now? You just wake up, or something?