If there isn't even a bill yet then what the hell is Barry's hurry to get it passed? You are supporting nothing because by your own admission it doesn't exist. Would any wise business person invest (and that is what we are being told to do by the party of all that is good) his money or trust in a preconceived plan that the authors themselves know nothing about? I learned a phrase long ago and I'm sure we all have. "Trust me I'm from the Government." Run!!!! Get as far away as you can from the "truth"!

I can guarantee you if "Tricky Dick" were alive today he'd be laughing his arse off!

http://thestimulist.com/listen-up-lou-dobbs-socialist-and-the-n-word/

In the increasingly ugly health care debate, “socialist” has come to have a few different meanings. There is the actual style of governing—and critiques of Obama’s health care effort on those grounds are certainly legit. The word has also been stripped of that clinical definition and used merely as a conservative bludgeoning tool—no different than when those on the left say “right-wing nut.” That’s okay, too. To be clear: I think those two uses of “socialist” are the vast majority and are fine. But after listening to many of the birthers, as well as ugly voices at some of the GOP town halls (where the idea of lynching recently seemed to be applauded), I wondered—let me repeat that: wondered—whether “socialist” was being used as a code word for the N-word, an outlet for racist anxiety and anger.

http://thestimulist.com/listen-up-lou-dobbs-socialist-and-the-n-word/

The "is socialism a code word for the N word" is quickly becoming the latest play in the liberal playbook.

Man, I gotta get these playbooks I keep hearing about.

Do you have a copy of the rightie playbook, Vic? I figure I can get a copy of the lefty playbook from cocksucker or Todd.

How long would it be before someone played the race card? You could time it on your watch. Surpised that the normal offenders waited this long. 41 pages has got to be a new record for them.....anyone keeping track.

Everyone agains the health care plan is now a racist. Love that. Strong argument there. Pathetic.

Yeah... them damned liberals are a crafty bunch... ain't they Vic?

Always playin' the race card and ALWAYS tryin' to get one over on the REAL true-blue conservative Americans.

It really IS just one huge conspiracy ya know... and much to our chagrin... you seem to have it all figgered out.

Well 4 Salt. You and other libs here LOVE to give the old "you get your news from FOX" line. If you can 't see that the Liberal MSN bunch are equally as biased,whacked, and trying to get ratings as the Fox crowd, then you are just as guilty of not using your noodle as the conservatives you point fingers at. Back to the old pot and kettle thing. The only real truth in this whole health care debate is that both sides are overstating/understating/distorting/ and or lying to forward their agendas. Seems you bought one side hook line and sinker with out much of a fight.

Vic, what is your proposal? The status-quo?


Text below quoted from http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/08/12/2027776.aspx

*** Rampant misinformation: As it turns out, one of the most striking things watching the town halls yesterday -- Obama's, Specter's, and McCaskill's -- was how misinformed the public was about the health-care debate. It's no wonder that Obama spent much of his time yesterday explaining what his plans WOULDN'T do versus what they WOULD do. Here’s one question that Specter received: “President Obama has stated more than once that his goal is to have a single-payer system. Are you for a single-payer system? (While Obama expressed support for a single-payer system before becoming a U.S. senator, he campaigned against it during the presidential contest, and every bill that has cleared a congressional committee doesn't establish a single-payer system.) Here’s another: “I reviewed [H.R.] 3200 the best I could. To me it was obviously written with the assumption that government has the right to control our lives from pre-birth to death.” (As PolitiFact, Factcheck.org, and the AP have written, there is nothing in any piece of legislation that has a say in end-of-life decisions. The provision that has caused the uproar authorizes Medicare to pay doctors for counseling patients about end-of-life care, if the patient wishes.)

*** More fact-checking: Another question: “I do not want to pay on my health care plan that includes the right for a woman to kill her unborn baby. Is it true that this plan is in the health care bill?” (In the House legislation, no federal funds would be used to pay for abortions; if a woman wants an abortion under her plan, the money would come from her insurance premiums. Also, Americans would have the choice of choosing an insurance plan that covers abortion and one that does not.) And here was this question Specter received: “I have a question on page 58 and 59 of this bill, which gives the government access to private individual bank accounts at their free will.” (What?) As McCaskill noted on TODAY, “There are just so many people who are hearing things that aren’t just true.” Still, McCaskill said she was proud of the people who showed up at her town hall. “They don’t trust government right now… I get that distrust.”

*** And fact-checking Obama: But the president also made some misleading statements of his own at his town hall yesterday. “I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter because, frankly, we historically have had an employer-based system in this country with private insurers, and for us to transition to a system like that I believe would be too disruptive.” But Obama did advocate a single-payer system back in 2003, although since then he has a said a single-payer wouldn’t work. Obama also repeated this line: “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.” However, there is nothing in any bill moving through Congress that would enforce that. (In fact, it's surprising the White House continues to push this line -- there is NO way the government can guarantee that a business won't change health care providers. They just can't.) And then Obama said, “We have the AARP on board because they know this is a good deal for our seniors.” But AARP put out a statement yesterday saying that it hasn’t officially endorsed any of the bills moving through Congress, although it has said some encouraging words about them.

No Vic.....it is all truth that comes from that side. Read it on the white house website. Now you just keep your head down and watch out for the "mobs" and "operatives" that are out there after your congressmen.
Not that the "union thugs" are any better from the other side. What a bunch of jackasses we sent to DC. Both sides are full of them. Sad that some think it only applies to half the crowd in that town. Well dispersed throughout.

Aunty,
Of course doctors are leaving for higher pay. If we had a single payer program, that would be eliminated. Is that what you are arguing for? The way the system is run right now, the doctors have plenty of work for higher paying private insurance companies and so choose to omit certain programs.
There is also an incentive to limit the amount of participating provider. The question is whether or not we truely want a market driven health care system. If so, should everyone who wants to be a doctor be able to start his or her own practice without intervention. Once we allow any intervention, then we have a problem. We limit the number of qualified providers, then we allow them to charge what ever they want for a resource we all must have.
I guess its all ok for you since you can get that resource and others can't. But already you are squealing about how there is a lack of doctors willing to take your program. Eventually you may have to supplement more and more of your care until you are where we all are. Basically unable to do it.

Found this little tidbit.

Sound politics blog

August 11, 2009
WA Senators Both to Attend Stealth Event
As reported by NW Digest, Senators Cantwell and Murray, along with Rep. Baird, are having a public get-together at the Cowlitz Expo Center on Thursday.

The weird thing is that they are trying to get union people to show up to counter-protest the healthcare protestors, but this event wasn't known about until today. It seems to me they are trying to set it up as a stealth meeting so that most people there will be pro-healthcare, just so they can say that our state's in favor of it.

If you can go, sign up, wear green, and have fun!

Posted by pudge at August 11, 2009 10:50 PM | Email This

Are they trying to stack the deck, like the democrats are accusing the republicans are doing? They are all a bunch of fawkers.

Well maybe it's time that medical schools and hospitals start treating interns and residents like human beings. Enough with the 48-72hr shifts and the gool ol' boys club thinking that since that's what I did it's good nuff for you. Maybe if Drs. didn't have enormous student loans to repay and huge insurance premiums they would pocket more but make less.

Sorry, messed that up.

AuntyM,

What if the gov picked up say 75% of student loans for MD's?

...or 100% with some sort of contract.

Cut down on the time for pay increase from attending to resident.....

Show your work, Dogfish. Quoting an Internet blog isn't good enough. Not to say that isn't true but the way you are presenting it is no different than me pointing to a webpage saying the moon landing never happened.

I still waiting to see a picture of a bus unloading a bunch of rightwing wackos at one of the town hall meetings.

Take a bus to the meeting, JG...whatever constitutes a "bunch", you'll be one whacko closer

Fish on...

Todd