Only 70% more to go.....that shouldn't impact anyone financially, eh? Oh, I forgot...money is no object.
Idealistic nonsense, more of the new economics at work.
Sorry but all I can see is quality of life sliding down the drain....but then if that's where you live, you'd never know the difference, right? The only advancement of the Progressive is the advancement of Regression. We're going backwards.

Your correct you can't fix stupid............stay away from mirrors.

Ever watch someone die slowly, painfully, without hope of surviving? I have. You have fight for the right to die in this country as if it was anyones else biz if you choose when to end the fight to live. Our greatest health care cost are in our last couple of years of our lives as law damn near dictates that providers throw everything in the book at it in the hope that you are the one in a hundred it saves. Take lung cancer which I know. Stage one fight like hell, stage two if it is not small cell go for it. Small cell, stage 3 or 4 get on with what time you have and when the pain is to severe go to pain killers and go forward and when it is just to much, as sometimes living is harder than dieing, choose your time to leave.

Sound harsh? Well it is the reality of death. How we address the monster cost of trying to save us from a death at all cost that is certain to happen is a moral and financial dilemma. I do not know the answer but I do know this. Lying in a bed hooked to a vent for a year with little hope of recovery is not the way to do it.

1. No....do you expect that everyone should? Or only the obsessed? My understanding is that it proposes a government "option". Subsidized insurance rates for the poor.

2. Wrong here...No fear whatsoever.

3. Only Gov Doc's I know of are in the Military. Your point here is??

You can now here and Oregon choose your time to leave. Pills are simple enough but the citizens had to get the right by voting to get that which was their right period. No place in the constitution does it say the government has the right to tell you you have to live anymore than suicide is illegal. Illegal? You think someone that finds life that painful gives a damn about that law?

AS to the question it is called litigation and as having been married to and OR nurse a trauma unit lead nurse know how the decision making process works. Sure you have the right to refuse care but providers don't have the right to with hold treatment no matter how fruitless the effort is. Not that they should mind you but where is the line? When does one say the cost is to great. One week more? Month, Year? Bed ridden no hope of ever recovering? On a feeding tube and vent in a coma? If you want to argue the point do it it a manner that addresses the moral and ethical issues, not just lob hand grenades over the fence to watch people run.

Oh Hell yeah, let's not render a verdict on the obvious. At the rate we are flying off the chart in debt, you really think there's an out? I'll be kind and just refer to you as a dreamer.
Been hearing alot lately about how the economy is showing signs of recovery....wow, I sure feel better. Our GDP numbers are impressive, someone got a job finally, a whole bunch of folks got new cars, wow! Didn't cost me a nickel, either. You?

"They're not exactly known for being honest.................. "

two libs in a row decrying foul......oh, the humor of it all.

and hateful? you forgot hateful.

Oh wait, one party in particular is the whiny name caller, no? Is that hateful?

and for the record.....racist is a big paint brush.....don't try to paint too wide a swath.

KK....how many times growing up did you hear the words, "You go long."?

just curious

this seems a bit fishy:

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

It wouldn't destroy the insurance industry and you know it. However, it may just lower their profit margin from 400+% to around a respectable 15% maybe. How is it morally ethical to continue denying 47 million people health care simply to protect the exorbitant profit margin of some company?

Why would you think it acceptable for someone to decide "what treatments will be administered for various ailments" based upon their profit margin?

Death Panel? Anyone who believes that is an idiot, pure and simple, straight to the point.

I betcha a dollar that anyone who believes in Death Panels is a member of the 21% or so that thinks Dubya did a good job, and a member of the Birther Society, as well...and probably thinks that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11.

The fact is the Repubs in Congress who are spouting about Death Panels are liars, and they know it. The problem is that a good portion of their constituency doesn't mind, and in fact relishes in it.

It's called "pandering to the base"...and base is what it is, in every sense of the word.

Fish on...

Todd

Cut taxes and prevent competition to the insurance industry. Same old, same old.

My rep is having a townhall in Everett on Wednesday at 5, rumor is that the call went out to some of the local unions to show up at 3:30 to get early seating.

You'd better not go then Jerry!

Jay Inslee's thugs are particularly brutal I hear... ESPECIALLY to right-wingers disguised as 60's hippy guitar players!

Myself... I'd be more worried about tryin' to understand what Jay is sayin'. That lisp of his is awful thick.

"They do it all the time," he said. "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. ... It's the Post Office that's always having problems." Barry O 8/11/2009

Oregon Congressmen Wu just had a town hall meeting last night.
Each person entering the building was given a number, Wu drew numbers out of a hat, the person with that number got to have their say, anyone responding out of order was shushed by other participants or they got escorted from the building.
From the sound of the article in todays paper, all went smooth with everyone getting a fair chance at stating their position.

I'm actually a union member just don't vote the union line. I think that I will go.

Bring a gun.....




Men with guns -- outside town hall Posted: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:45 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: White House, Ron Allen

From NBC's Ron Allen
Outside the event where President Obama will conduct his town hall, there is an anti-Obama protestor with a gun -- a pistol strapped to his lower leg.

The local police chief said it's legal for the man to have a registered handgun -- as long as it is not concealed. What's more, he is on private property, a church yard, which has given him permission to be there.

*** UPDATE *** More on the man with the gun... William Kostric is a married man in his mid 30S who works in sales. He says he moved here to New Hampshire from Arizona about a year ago, because it's a "live free or die" state -- and he thought Arizona was becoming too restrictive with its gun laws.

He's passing out a bookmark that says, "Join the Second Amendment Revolution, the most exciting pro-liberty movement in over 200 years."

He's a Ron Paul supporter, who opposes just about everything Obama, including health care reform.

The local police say he is within his rights to carry a handgun openly under state law. He was carrying a 9-mm Smith and Wesson strapped to his lower leg.

Police say he's OK on a public sidewalk. Kostric says he has permission from a church just down the street from the high school to be on its private property.

He says he was approached by a "detective," possibly a Secret Service Agent, who told him he could be arrested within 1,000 feet of a school with a weapon under a federal law. Kostric moved back to private property.

When Obama arrived, the police had Kostric under surveillance. A local police captain said the Secret Service has been "in the loop."

Kostric has been about 50 to 75 yards from the entrance to the high school, since about 11:00 am ET, doing interviews and carrying a sign and his gun and police have had their eye on him. But as long as he's been "cooperative," they have watched, but let him be

Yeah, he's under "surveillance" allright. Sure hope he doesn't have to sneeze, else his brains will be all over the ground.

Just curious, Jerry, what are you hoping to ask/learn by going to the townhall meeting?

I've been wondering the same of anyone that is thinking of going to one. It would seem that the Internet could provide the same information in a more timely manner.

Of course, you'd have to live without the townhall vibe.