http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZGWJcJhU8M&feature=player_embedded

Now, as I peer into my Crystal Ball I can see that many of the good folks here are going post a bunch of personal attacks on both Limbaugh and Beck ...BUT, how about this time we just deal with FACTS of what they are talking about.

Mark Lloyd has been given authority over many critical communications issues for the US, and if you take the time and actually read what the guy is all about you'll see that both Rush and Glenn are "spot-on" with their commentary.

You don't have to like "them", but the truth is the truth, no matter if it comes from Rush, Beck or [insert your favorite liberal reporter here].

Mike

I thought you said FACTS?
So you weren't concerned when Bushco appt'd Colin Powell's son as head of the FCC who then began to relax ownership rules further consolidating control of the media into the hands of a few?
Go to store. Buy tin foil. Make hat.

ISO, Don't bother trying to point out the obvious to the left wing whackos. they don't care! Most of Obama's appointees could not pass a security clearance. In fact Obama himself probably would have a hard time given his past associations. But it's all good because they have the right intentions?

As long as these people spout the anti right hate message they are good in their own eyes. It doesn't metter what the consequences will be. It only matters that it is the liberal agenda.

Let's play a game. You own an island and are completely self sufficient. You have values and morals and don't believe in torture or murder. A group of people decide they want your island and they use any means available to them to get it from you. They have no laws but count on the fact that you do and will abide by them. Who is going to end up owning the island? Do you stick to your principles regardless of the actions waged against you? Will justice and good works prevail?

The cold hard facts are, sometimes you have to get down and dirty in order to win a fight. But you see, these left wing whackos would rather let someone else do their fighting for them and then critique the results.

Old but still true!

http://mwkworks.com/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html

"Let's play a game. You own an island, because you are an uber rich RWWJ and are completely self sufficient (not possible you need other RWWJ's). You have values and morals, when it furthers your agenda, and don't believe in torture or murder, unless it furthers your agenda. A group of people decide they want your island and they use any means available to them to get it from you. Most likely competing RWWJ's. They have no laws, because they get in the way, but count on the fact that you do and will abide by them, if it furthers your agenda. Who is going to end up owning the island? Doesn't matter it'll still be a bunch of RWWJ's. Do you stick to your principles regardless of the actions waged against you? Why start now? Will justice and good works prevail? Not part of the RWWJ agenda."

You will notice that they can't answer the question"What about this guy?", it always goes back to somebody else did as bad or worse so it's ok. Those kind of excuses don't fly in the real world.

Here you go jerry:

Mark Lloyd is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress focusing on communications policy issues, including universal service, advanced telecommunications deployment, media concentration and diversity.

From the fall of 2002 until the summer of 2004, Mr. Lloyd was a Martin Luther King, Jr. visiting scholar at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where he taught communications policy and wrote and conducted research on the relationship between communications policy and strong democratic communities. He also served as the executive director of the Civil Rights Forum on Communications Policy, a non-profit, non-partisan project he co-founded in 1997 to bring civil rights principles and advocacy to the communications policy debate.

Previously, Mr. Lloyd worked as general counsel to the Benton Foundation, and as a communications attorney at Dow, Lohnes & Albertson in Washington, D.C. representing both commercial and non-commercial companies. He also has nearly 20 years of experience as a print and broadcast journalist, including work as a reporter and producer at NBC and CNN, and is the recipient of several awards including an Emmy and a Cine Golden Eagle. He has served on the boards of directors of dozens of national and local organizations, including the Independent Television Service, OMB Watch, the Center for Democracy and Technology, and the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights Education Fund. He has also served as a consultant to the Clinton White House, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, the Open Society Institute and the Smithsonian Institution. He received his undergraduate degree from the University of Michigan and his law degree from the Georgetown University Law Center.

So I guess you are looking for an answer to "what is he going to do". I'd assume since he didn't turn us all into marxist under Clinton he's fairly safe. I highly doubt he will be worse than GW's friends in regards to our freedom. Or just ask any conspiracy theorist because they are great preidctors of the future.

I'd be more worried about all of those brain washed MIT grads he unleashed on the country....god forbid!!

You can start right with the title of this stupid thread, and see the word "Communist", and know it will be another thread full of right wing fear and anger...and short of facts.

Don't you guys get tired staying up all night being so scared all the time?

Fish on...

Todd

Hey Tood that's a good one! Scared? Don't think so! Prepared and on the alert? Hell yes! I've seen my share of brave attorneys in the courtroom run for cover at the first hint of a problem. Anger? Maybe, when we see incompetent, unqualified, anti-American, lackeys appointed to positions that may at some point allow them to make societal changes.

The problem as we see it is the "Lazy fairy" attitude, as one highly respected Police Adminsistrator put it, of the liberal community. You see Todd, some of us really do "give a chit". We are not content to sit back and let the bufflao chips fall where they may.

I sleep very well at night BECAUSE my .357 is loaded and available.

"Maybe, when we see incompetent, unqualified, anti-American, lackeys appointed to positions that may at some point allow them to make societal changes. "

Where have you been the last eight years? Oh....sleeping with your loaded .357........"my precious" (as he rubs it).

What's scary is thinking that sleeping with a loaded gun is going to protect you from Marxism, or Socialism or Boogymanism.

+9875

Fish on...

Todd

ACORN is comin' ta git ya JHook... and they'll be disguised as AR-15's!

I think Obamites are poisoning the ammo.

Let's see 1 little idiot, 2 little idiots, 3 little idiots, 4 little idiots, 5,6 little idiots! No wait 4salt and Stlhead posted twice!

No fair! The idiots gang up and get us right wingers all scared!

Sorry to ruin your fantasy Stlhead, I don't sleep with my gun. But I do know where it is. Can you say the same about your w--- (never mind).

I really hope they let Acorn take the census this year. I'd be delighted to meet them at my door.

Why would some other affiliations be absent in the "resume"?

Dear Mr. JKook-

Do you also have a woman in a pit in your basement? It would really complete the scene of the canvass of your life that you seem to be painting

Whatcha gonna do to the ACORN census takers J?

Kidnap 'em... call up the rest of your Klan chapter and have yourselves a good ol' fashioned Texas lynchin'?

What's really f*cked up is the all or nothing attitude some of you guys have.
Left AND right.
There are good folks of both conservative and liberal beliefs.
Then there are the complete MFers.
I see a few guys here that are so self righteous in their beliefs they must be absolutley miserable.
Is either party really that good?

I can't adhere 100% to either major political party and fail to see how anybody possibly could.

Amen to that! I voted for Ron Paul because I'm tired of having the same windbags with corporate backing pretending to offer me a "choice" as candidates for office.

In before Dogfish!

OK, I give up! You quick draw keyboard artists are too good and too many of you. "Maybe you just take things said on an internet board a tad too seriously ?" For once I agree with KK! You know it's downright cruel to throw rocks at monkeys when they aren't bothering anyone! For that I apologize! I mean here they were just sitting there picking their arses and nasty ol' Jhook gets em all stirred up!

Even English Peter came out to hoot!
Sorry Peter I don't have a basement but when you get that image painted in your head send me a copy.

Anyway if ya'all remember a while back I said I was into stirring the pot at times. Used to throw rocks into the brush when we were kids just to see what came out. Usually nothing of consequence. And it still holds true!

And what's really funny is that there are over 22 replies to this post and not one person has challenged the facts that they are reporting on.

A lot of noise and chatter, but not a single substantive response to the fact the man Obama has installed in the job thinks Hugo Chavez is a fine example of a leader. His ideals are contrary to nearly every American.

This is not about political party, it's about the fact our President is installing avowed socialists and communists into positions of power and persuasion within OUR government.

If the Dem's and Repub's can just put their clubs down for a moment they might be able to see what this chap is doing to our country. Not some right-wing "conspiracy", just facts.

Mike

No.

They both suck balls.

"And what's really funny is that there are over 22 replies to this post and not one person has challenged the facts that they are reporting on."

"the fact our President is installing avowed socialists and communists into positions of power and persuasion within OUR government."

You nailed it. It's a known fact because Rush say's so. I found it very telling when performing a google search on the subject and saw no reputable news source reporting on it. The results you get are all Rush and Hannity type blogs, or one that was "the rapture" and another a survivalist site. In otherwords a bunch of kooks.

NO...I guess you just can't get past the issue that Rush or Hannity said something about it.

Their commentary does not change the FACT that the guy is as equally UN-American in policy as Fidel Castro is.

Address the facts, not the messengers.

Mike

If the New York Times doesn't print it, it's not true.

Nope but you can bet if only Rush and the likes are saying it isn't true. As in this case. Taken out of context, add the Rush spin and you got a bunch of sheep crying baa....and nobody else cares.

Right now Chavez is more pissed than ever at us due to Columbia potentially allowing long term leases to us of their military bases.
What does Rush say about that? A plot to observe and learn socialism?

Dude...you are just not getting the point here. I don't give a damn if Rush (or anyone else) is the one that brought this up...the TRUTH of the matter is that we now have a Socialist in charge of a very critical part of the US PRIVATE communications...and he doesn't like the fact that Americans prefer their radio and TV stations being private...HE wants control over them...

"In 2006 while at the liberal Center for American Progress Lloyd wrote a book entitled, Prologue to a Farce: Communications and Democracy in America. In the book he presents the idea the private broadcasters (private business) should pay a licensing fees which equals their total operating costs so that public broadcasting station can spend the same on their operations as the private companies do. By doing so he hopes to improve the Corporation for Public Broadcasting currently at $400 Million for 2009."

OK, so now your favorite rock station has to pay the Gov't a tax that is EQUAL TO THEIR TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET...and in turn Lloyd wants to use that $$ to fund his "Progressive" radio stations (btw, if you don't know it already, "Progressive" is liberalspeak for SOCIALIST).

Think that music station could stay in business very long having to spend twice as much to operate?

Forget the damn issues between Repub's and Democrats...worry about what Obama is doing, RIGHT NOW, that is going to destroy the FREEDOMS of the American people.

Freedom of Speech? No, not for much longer.

ISO

"the TRUTH of the matter is that we now have a Socialist in charge"

That's it? That's your "fact"?

Everyone do a search on this exact cut n paste:

"In 2006 while at the liberal Center for American Progress Lloyd wrote a book entitled, Prologue to a Farce: Communications and Democracy in America. In the book he presents the idea the private broadcasters (private business) should pay a licensing fees which equals their total operating costs so that public broadcasting station can spend the same on their operations as the private companies do. By doing so he hopes to improve the Corporation for Public Broadcasting currently at $400 Million for 2009"

What do you see?
Every whacked out right wing blog you can imagine. He's going to redistribute the wealth. He's going to install socialism...blah blah blah.

His idea was to make the media pay for the public broadcasting so that we have an alternative to our present day media which has been corrupted by corporate interests.

Here's a less biased book review not looking for secret codes that may expose the key to the true liberal agenda:

"The cure for an American media where market interests have usurped democratic participation
“A popular Government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both.”--James Madison, 1822

Mark Lloyd has crafted a complex and powerful assessment of the relationship between communication and democracy in the United States. In Prologue to a Farce, he argues that citizens’ political capabilities depend on broad public access to media technologies, but that the U.S. communications environment has become unfairly dominated by corporate interests.
Drawing on a wealth of historical sources, Lloyd demonstrates that despite the persistent hope that a new technology (from the telegraph to the Internet) will rise to serve the needs of the republic, none has solved the fundamental problems created by corporate domination. After examining failed alternatives to the strong publicly owned communications model, such as antitrust regulation, the public trustee rules of the Federal Communications Commission, and the underfunded public broadcasting service, Lloyd argues that we must re-create a modern version of the Founder’s communications environment, and offers concrete strategies aimed at empowering citizens.
"Lloyd . . . has both law and journalism credentials and experience, and here he offers a critical history of American telecommunications and media policy. His theme is corporate domination, repeated with each succeeding technology, and how it prevents the media from offering true public value. . . . Lloyd offers a lot of food for thought. Highly recommended."--Choice

"Marshaling a wide range of sources, Lloyd's historical analysis of the politics of communication in the United States is one of the best available."--Journal of American History

"Mark Lloyd offers a wide-ranging chronicle of American communication policy from the founding of the republic through the present day. This work is unique among historical examinations of American communication policy in that it is less about reforming media than about reforming democracy by providing citizens with full access to important public information and thereby restoring public dialogue to its central position as intended by the nation's founders."--American Journalism
"Mark Lloyd has written arguably the finest introduction to American media policy history I have read. Featuring an original and compelling argument, Lloyd draws not only upon extensive research but on his many years of experience as a public interest advocate. Prologue to a Farce should be required reading for media students, teachers, practitioners and concerned citizens nationwide."--Robert W. McChesney, author of The Problem of the Media

"A passionate, thoughtful account of our society's failure to use communications media in ways that enlarge democracy. A book for citizens as well as scholars of media and politics."--David Thorburn, professor of literature and comparative media, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Mark Lloyd is Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress and a professor of public policy at Georgetown University. He is both a communications lawyer and an award-winning broadcast journalist."

So, ISO:

"Forget the damn issues between Repub's and Democrats...worry about what Obama is doing, RIGHT NOW, that is going to destroy the FREEDOMS of the American people."

Show me where these changes have been proposed in the FCC. They haven't.

But there is clear evidence (facts) of what the Bush Admin tried to do:

"CHICAGO - Federal Communications Commission chairman Michael K. Powell yesterday dismissed as "garbage" claims that the interests of the American public went unheard when the FCC last week approved landmark changes allowing further consolidation of media ownership.

In an interview at the National Cable & Telecommunications Association annual meeting here, Powell, who led the Republican majority approving the changes, said he thinks most Americans are unconcerned by the FCC moves.

The changes would let one company own a newspaper and television stations in 80 percent of US markets and allow a single broadcasting company to own up to three stations in Boston and five larger markets,...."

(what does your Rush say about that?)

OK KK,

I can see it is a total waste of my time (or anyone else's) trying to explain to you that your (OUR) current governing body in Wa. DC. is going to forever change the landscape of America. Changes that are BAD of our country, and totally against the FREEDOMS that the US was founded under. (not to mention the thousands of men that have bled, suffered and died to protect these freedoms that Obama and his Socialist buddies are making every effort to be rid of.)

I guess the Constitution really doesn't mean much these days.

Obama and his buddies are shafting America/Americans right up the old poop-chute, and you are loving every second of it .....and you are apparently begging for more.

Just don't come whining here when Obama got from you what he wants, and then kicks your sorry arse to the curb.

ISO

God, you are one dense individual.

If someone told you that a huge FLOOD was coming, and your house was in the path of it, wouldn't you take some steps to protect yourself and your family?

No...you wouldn't. I think you would tell them that since you are still high and dry, and because nothing bad has happened yet that you'll be just fine and they are full of crap.

And then we'll see you on the 6 O'clock news...standing there on top of your house, crying your eyes out over the loss of your belongings..... and hoping someone will come save you and your family.

The waters are building up fast behind the proverbial dike KK, and these guys are punching holes in it as fast as they can. Soon enough it'll give way, and when it does America will be "no more".

But then, you'll be fine with that, won't you?

Through wasting my time here. AMF.

ISO

I thought that radio stations sold adds to finance their operation and perhaps some profit. Thought that was why Air America was having problems staying on the air.

That basically IS it Jerry. Overhead in the form of talent salaries and operational costs take huge amounts of money though. The ability to demonstrate ratings factors into what these companies can charge for ad time also.

Radio stations are almost ALL owned by just a handful of broadcast corporations. Broadcast companies like Premiere Radio Networks (Rush Limbaugh) are still going broke despite his popularity... mainly because of his exhorbitant salary.

Air America had financial difficulty due to the fact that their overhead was much higher than the amount of money they were bringing in through ad sponsors.

This consolidation (and control) of the ownership of the PUBLIC airwaves (they belong to WE the People) is what Mark Lloyd's plan is trying to combat.

WHY should just a few private corporations control ALL of what we see, hear and read?

Ya know KK, other than calling you "dense" I never got personal in my posts. Your can't debate facts, so you make personal attacks trying to muddy the waters (exactly as I predicted in my first post!).

And, you have made the personal attack an art form unto itself. I'm sure your parents are proud of you for it. Truth is, you are just an asshole, and anyone who attempts to spend the time to discuss anything with you will likely learn the same as I have.

Therefore, you deserve what you get. I hope you like it.

ISO

The RWWJ's are so washed up they're falling back on McCarthyist Witch Hunts. Cold War's over guys. Wake up and smell the coffee. It's 2009, not 1959.

I don't know why I keep clicking on these. I get so tired of all the name calling...from all sides.

It's very pathetic and childish.

Flame away but I won't come back to see the comments...about this or any other polictical thread.

It's like watching car wreck footage, disaster videos or UFC bloodsport.

I thought "we" did control what we see, hear and read by choosing what "we" watch, listen to and what we read.

The public airwaves are a finite and public resource...and if you think that those who control the most of it control most of what we get to choose from, then you'd be right.

Fish on...

Todd

Most of what you say is true but then are you also saying people like Chavez are right in any sense of the word?

I didn't say anything about Chavez.

Fish on...

Todd

The people that listen to radio are the ones that in the end choose content--- no listeners--- no add money --- no programs.

You can only choose from what's out there, and if three companies own it all, you'll listen to what they want you to listen to, and nothing more...

That's why there are laws against that kind of thing...a "free media" is a pretty important part of Democracy...important enough that our Founding Fathers put it in the Bill of Rights.

Fish on...

Todd

So you listen to radio that you dislike because it's the only thing to listen to? So you listen to Rush, Hannity, Ingram and the rest because you haven't a choice?

I don't listen to the radio at all, if I can avoid it, 'cept sports radio, and I don't believe half of what I hear there, either

Some people just can't turn it off, and even worse, they believe what they hear.

Fish on...

Todd

Don't cell phone companies use part of the public airwaves? If so, why aren't cell minutes free?

KK,

So, I am a lousy debater. Big deal. I know I'll get my ass kicked in any debate...but knowing that fact doesn't stop me from wanting to bring to light things that are of great concern to me and many other Americans.

As for the "Wasting my time here" etc. that is specific to a particular thread. I've been on PP for many years, and have no intention of going anywhere.

I guess what really pisses me off most is when I am, honestly and in all seriousness, trying to raise some awareness over the fact there are people working in OUR Gov't whose unashamed interests are to trash the Constitution and create their own version. THAT worries me.

I don't give a damn if he is a Communist or a Socialist...neither one belong working in our Gov't and closely advising our President!. What matters is that this radical individual is in there making new laws that tend to totally ignore issues like the 1st Amendment.

And yeah..when you start ridiculing and calling me "Mikie", etc. I tend to forget the topic, get pissed off and just want to blow the whole thing off. Facts haven't changed at all, you just diverted my attention to another issue.

Damn..we both spent our time writing posts about the issue and it was all just a waste of our time. I'll try not to waste any more of yours with such unimportant issues. I'm sure America will be fine.

ISO

The entire point is you aren't listing facts only opinions.

I think that's the only thing you've gotten correct in this whole thread.

Dude, when you "honestly and in all seriousness" make comments about people in government "whose unashamed interests are to trash the Constitution and create their own version," that's just tinfoil ass-hattery© and subject to ridicule unless you can provide some sort of empirical evidence.

And to follow it all up with "this radical individual is in there making new laws that tend to totally ignore issues like the 1st Amendment" shows a complete ignorance of how our government works.

If you don't want to be made to look like a buffoon, don't post ignorant hyperbole.

IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER, SOCIALIST OR COMMUNIST! He's an asshole! He solidified his postion when he answered a question regarding Republican's ability to pass legislation. Typical extreme left wing answer. They can't perform so anyone who can is an "asshole"! No thought process there! But hey he got laugh out of his audience. You want to support those kind, fine. Black, white, socialist, communist, Democrat, Republican! Anyone who has the limited mental capacity that requires they use a flagrant insult to answer a simple question needs to go to a re-education camp!

I wonder who Obama is going to appoint to head up his civilian security force? Or is that another right wing scare tactic? He probably meant something entirely different. After all, right wingers always take stuff out of context.

Jhook,

Is this what you are referencing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt66eWnjoTo&feature=player_embedded

Mike

"Be civil to all; sociable to many; familiar with few; friend to one; enemy to none"

How ya doin' with abiding by your hero's quotes, KK?

Before we all are subjected to your pathetic, erroneous rationalizations of self justification and righteousness..allow me to assist....you fail repeatedly and unrepentantly.

want a second opinion?

OK, you are ugly to boot.

nothin personal

Good choice of heroes idiot.

KK You have managed to remove all doubt of your lack of mental capacity. You are in complete denial. Next step, Institution.

I don't think KK is what most would call ugly, just funny looking. If that was his pic on the photoshop cover on the other thread I noticed a slight resemblance to Perez Hilton. Now that is ugly!

Don't fall in KK. Chit doesn't float.

What's wrong with Ben Franklin?

there fixed it for ya

Nothing. It's the only smart think KK has posted this week.

That sounded pretty smart to me.

OOps, got to man up on this one. I incorrectly credited the asshole remark to Mark Lloyd when it should have been Van Jones. My bad!

Apologies to Mr. Lloyd. It's just difficult to keep these Obama appointees straight. They all seem to be cut from the same cloth!

You were up all night for eight years. Were you scared or just pissed?

I sleep very well at night...every night...

Fish on...

Todd

Your still young.

Nah...not that young anymore...just not scared.

Fish on...

Todd

I find that people who keep repeating themsleves over and over ar trying to convince themselves of something. kind of like in the Wizard of Oz

"I'm not scared" "Just not scared" We heard you the first time Todd.

Hearing the RWWJ retards on this board hammer on two or three topics unsufferably and unendingly, I'm sure you feel the same way about them...and yourself, of course, being one of them.

Oh, no! The sky is falling!

I'd think you'd get hoarse yelling that all the time while trying to crawl under your bed with your gun.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. I repeat myself because there are several folks here who either can't read, can't remember...or both...and ask the same retarded questions over and over again...and over again...

Geez Todd, didn't you listen to Glenn Beck?

Commies are still trying to turn our blonde haired children in to ni**er-lovin' homos and take away out Ought-sixes.

You sure seem fixated with my bed. Maybe you need to see a shrink about that?

Sure sign of a pathological liar. When you MSU then repeat it often enough it becomes real in your head. Sorry if it bothers you.

Now go take your meds and go to sleep. Irie is watching out for you. On second thought maybe that's not such a good idea.

And the closet racists come out to play.