Is there any pellet gun laws I should be aware of? I gave my 10 yr old son my Benjamin Sheridan c9 silver steak for target practice. I know Kitsap County has strict laws to firearms. Thanx

Best to hear it from the horse's mouth,if you've concerns.

In a worst case scenario,I'd be happy to pay the ticket for one of my kids doing with a pellet rifle,that which pellet rifles were engineered to do.

Hopefully it would have something to do with a cat.

Use a safe backstop, don't parade around with it. I'd also monitor usage.

Still have my old Blue Streak from about, well, too many years ago.... Put a significant dent in the local starling population and other related carnage. Don't forget to put a drop or two of air gun oil into the intake hole on occasion and it'll last a long time. That said, I'd agree with Dogfish and use it both as a reason to spend some time with your son and to make sure you don't have local LE show up at your door because of wayward projectiles.

Although not for the purposes of a cat, my old Feinwerkbau 124 has been handy the past few days for the squirrel that keeps raiding my walnut and hazelnut trees

I put a plywood backstop that faces a hill in the backyard. Hes pretty responsible, and he only shoots under my supervision or under my dads at my parents house. When i was his age it was truly diffrent. Would take that thing on hunting excursions on my bike for crows or anything that flew, it was wrong.... TOTALLY WRONG. How have things have changed.

I've yet to feel compelled to apologize for being male and I know I've killed more stuff with a Sheridan air rifle than Peter Hathaway Capstick has with every centerfire arm he's imagined using.

None of which affects my sleep pattern.

I would say that using it safely, with eye protection, and not showing it off too much should suffice for ground rules.

The house I am remodeling came with a Sheridan air rifle, it was my grandmas and now she lives in the heart of town, so I have it.

It is a sweet gun, dear old granny used to use it on those black and blue, jay-type birds. They would get into the food she put out for the smaller, cuter birds, and instead of shooing them away, or getting a feeder designed for small birds. She would kill them at basically point blank out the kitchen window. A little vigilante justice for the little guy, or bird.

Much to be said for keeping the boy out of the bubble.

This watered down World and it's make believe "perils",surely do crack me up.

For conversation I keep a coupla thousand pellets in easy arm's reach for even the youngest and I ask no question in regards to where the various RWS's had been in the day's time.

Some things are just natural.

Sheridans, RWS? You boys need better toys

RWS triggers and ergo's are pretty skookum and they've plenty of punch on top of the fact that they live well,while shooting minute agg's. I prefer break barrels to side-cockers,but such things are subjective. Running around with a SCUBA-esque nurse bottle on a PCP rig,is akin to having windshield wipers on a Billy Goat's ass in my book. All show and no go.

Though as per always,it's the Indian not the arrow.

Admittedly,5mm SD's do dig nicely through Critters and there's not much that is going to shake such abuse(s).

We have two Webleys, a Vulcan and a Patriot. They are both break action barrels, one in .177 and the other in .22. Both shoot over 1,000 fps, and the Webley Patriot is a solid 50 yard crow gun in .22.

We set up a "clanger rig" for the boys. Hung from the trees on the property line are a few metal targets in the area that abuts the timberland behind us, they give a sense of sight and sound when hit. Not quite like hitting the 300 yard gong with the small bore cannon, but satisfying none the less.

Not to highjack the thread but shot velocity is way more consistent than a break barrel or side cocker not to mention 900fps for .22 and another 350 if you swap for a longer barrel. Consistent velocity translates into accuracy in an airgun and an RWS isn't punching dimes at fifty yards.

Windshield wipers on a goat? Classic Big Stick line...

I have owned a model 34, a Crow Mag, most of my cohorts have R-12's and now having seen the accuracy and power from my nurse bottle it is an easy sale. If you haven't played with one you should. I didn't mean any disrespect really, I am an airgun afficionado and any tool is better than none. Like some rediculous hook debate- the best airgun is the one in your hand when it counts.


Check out this link
http://www.talontunes.com/id22.html

I've played/play with a multitude of things that go "bang" and noone serious about low ES can say that precompressed trumps a piston,under the assumption that they have a chronograph. Guilty of a PACT Pro here.

RWS will often run SD's in the mid single digits,while a high zoot Feinwerkbau will delve in the nothings on the average. PCP's require being topped incessantly to hang,which negates any perceived "advantage".

When it's time to make blood spill like a river and stealth is a requisite(less a can),then I'm in Marlin 39 Mode,stoked with 31 rounds of CB's and a Leupie scope wearing an ele turret.

Tournament Crow Hunting being that fixation,on the average.

Steel is rewarding and if shooting something that doesn't bleed,it assuredly is my favorite medium.

It's soothing.

We ran out of birds, so that is why they shoot steel.

86 Crows in one setting,remains my personal best.

86 crows would be easily ten times my best but I don't pursue it seriously. It is more of a crossing of paths- Sunday morning and one is squawking outside my window sort of thing.

I have been asked to clean out my daughter's stable a few times. The birds are territorial of their nests and in defense swoop at the horses heads which in turn is dangerous for the girls. Usually I dont shoot anything unless I intend to eat it, with the above exceptions and the occasional coyote.

Have you ever seen this?


http://www.crowbusters.com/recipes.htm


I also saw a video once called "Eating Crow." No thanks.

Oh,I'm going to Crow Hell,most assuredly.

Tough to beat hitting the first one in the belly button,get him hitting the high note while suspended in plain sight via leader material and coaxing in the rest with an electronic caller...while hiding unsuspectingly in the shadows of a killer hide.

Should upload some Crow Carnage video,as it is without peer.

I've eaten alot of stuff that I didn't kill and have killed a lot of stuff that I didn't eat,none of which affects my sleep pattern.(grin)

If there is a hell then for me a "Crow Hell" would be about as bad as I could imagine. Unless crows are more sacred than I am currently aware mine may only be "Crow Purgatory" but if I see you I will wave.

You'll know it's me,because I'll have the open tab for drinks.

Missed your post earlier today Dogfish... sounds like you have the fever also. The Patriot is a less expensive version of the Crow Magnum and given the price is probably the wiser purchase. At 62lbs. cocking effort I am guessing you are helping the boys in their plinking.

I have two cannons also and have shot plenty of projectiles but never a gong at three hundred yards. How big is this gong and how many shots do I get?

Way in highjacked territory now.

Back on Subject, Pellet Guns, BB Guns, whatever, are considered to be "firearms" by the powers that be in Washington State.

So technically, they need to under adult supervision until they're 18.

The plus side is that with air rifles, they're a lot less likely to be caught due to all the racket a .22 would make, as I found out as a lad growing up in Rural Western Washington.
Besides, when they're out wandering around in the woods with the dog and a deputy comes tearing down the logging road, they'll wont get in as much trouble when they throw it in the pond as opposed to Dad's antique Winchester.


Oh and one more thing: Don't fvck with Crows. They'll remember your face and come to harrass you outside your window at 4AM EVERY morning.

I am also searching for pellet gun laws. I want to be aware so that I won't have any violation with regards to carrying firearms. I don't wanted to end up in chaos just like what happened to Sen. Lori Klein. She aimed a filled handgun to the upper body of paper reporter Richard Ruelas. The safety was off and the laser sight was on, states the Arizona Republic. Here's a proof: Arizona Sen. Lori Klein points loaded .380 Ruger at reporter.

I hope Dave See's this and chimes in with his Crow killing experience

Everytime I shoot pellets and BB's with my two boys I expect the PoPo to come around the corner at any moment putting us into the felony stop position because some neighbor saw GUN!!!!!

We back up to the flats in Marysville, so we have a pretty safe area to shoot.

Plenty drawings of Justin Bieber have been peppered by my 12 y/o daughter.

http://www.youtube.com/user/EdgunUSA#p/u/0/oBg_NroPXSo

May have been posted in "The Dark Side"

That was a cool video...my uncle used to let me take down his nuisance bird population often.

The only good starling....

Have made quite a few good ones in years past with my FWB 124.

Many folks forget to add the scope block. Nice to see you have one there, Driftin'.

I put a $2 bounty on starlings with the boys this year. I set up the pop-up blind 15 yards away from the dog kennel where the starlings steal his food. I need to scale back the bounty a bit.

Since this resurected thread is getting steady attention, maybe I can get some assistance. I've been toying with the notion of buying a pellet gun, but was over whelmed by the price ranges. My assumption is that accuracy probably correlates closely with price. If that's true, how much would it cost to buy a pellet gun that can hit a 4"x4" target at 50 yd?

I noticed that almost all the pellet rifles come with a scope, yet the price of the combo seems very low for even a half decent scope alone. So are the scopes just cheap POS?

And maybe I shouldn't get one, cuz other than an occasional nuisance bird, I'd probably use it to shoot the pet deer in the butt trying to train them to not eat the flowers. But that would probably just train them to come eat them at night when I'm sleeping.

Any suggestions?

Sg

A good spring/piston rifle isn't something you want to use to shoo nuisance deer, as they have 'nough oomph to do some damage. I've swatted starlings out to 90 yards with mine and taken home roosting bandtail pigeons and squirrels with ease at 30.

Like most things in life, extra $$ will get you something that pushes a quality pellet through a match grade bore at a utilitarian velocity with a negligible standard deviation which equates to accuracy worthy of some good glass to launch same with precision. Scopes need to be specific to air rifles as the vibration of a s/p can damage less hearty varieties and parallax needs accounting.

With care, a quality rifle will also provide enjoyment for several generations hence. Once purchased, they are both inexpensive and a joy to shoot at either paper or vermin. The Germans make some serious break-barrel spring/piston offerings. Mine is a Feinwerkbau 124 in .177 that is well over 30 years old and still splatters flies wandering across a target at 20 yards. The newer pre-charged bottle guns are intriguing but have their quirks. Check out Beeman and other airgun sites. The only difference betwixt men and boys....

For your deer, a paintball marker might do the trick, and put a grin on your face. An old Tippmann 98 is easily cleaned-up and powered with compressed air or CO2. Deer getting repeatedly tie-died would provide entertainment for your flowers....

Dan,
Can I borrow your flamethrower to make this interesting?



Glad a mod pulled the plug on that loser. PP spammers....

SG,

Get an inexpensive Crosman pump for your all around uses. 1 pump scares away dogs & deer with no harm, except for a sting. 10 pumps takes out crows, etc. A Red Ryder works great if all you want to do is scare deer.

If you choose to actually do some damage, such as long term predator control, a good rifle like Driftin' suggests is a must. Try looking at Pyramid Air http://www.pyramydair.com/ . They have both toys and tools. Spring piston air rifles require specialized air rifle scopes because of the recoil impulse. They will break cheap scopes all day long.

The benefit of having an adult sized air rifle is that you can practice every day, at very low cost, not disturb your neighbors, and the rifle has a similar weight and feel when compared to your hunting rifles.

These adult air rifles have power. I've killed possums, coons, hundreds of crows and starlings, many hundreds of barn pigeons. They are also accurate, as I have tumbled pigeons off of barns with head shots from over 50 yards away.

Did someone say flamethrower?

http://www.youtube.com/user/FPSRussia#p/u/0/D9DkciMTsLI


Edit: Well I can't figure out how to get the video window in the post. Sorry.

I still have my RWS model 48 that I bought when I was very young. My favorite was our Cherry tree... I used to get up and be in my blind before daylight throughout the late summer and whack and stack the starlings plus the occassional crow. It had plenty of knock down power..

Keith

Rules exist for reasons!

That was a great video. The camera and scope combination with slow motion made it worthwhile. The guy is knowledgeable about birds and air guns too; starlings are sometimes polygamous? Really?

I am intrigued by the Edgun Matador and Mac USFT- both are roughly twice as expensive as my Airforce for almost identical performance but I wonder if it is a case of getting what you pay for? The Mac receiver looked to be all machined aluminum and all working parts exposed and the Edgun works on half of the tank pressure required by my gun for consistent shot string velocity. That would give me twice the number of fills from my scuba tank. Hmm.

The Daystate and FX PCP sporters do intrigue....

http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/

http://www.pomona-airguns.com/index.html

Would it be OK to use Rem Oil on a pellet gun to lube the seals; or should I just buy the oil marketed for pellet guns?

So I've looked at a few and am leaning toward an RWS. It's a spring pump model, single shot. Do these tend to be more accurate and durable than CO2 models? And should I buy it with the scope offered in the catalog, use iron sights that it comes with, or buy a better scope?

Sg

I have a Crossman Odyssey break barrel type that my 18 y/o son left behind. He lost the scope for it some ears back so I have zeroed in the sights and use it for target practice.

I'm looking at the Ruger Airhawk for myself.

Marty:
The "spring air" guns require special oil. Using the wrong il can cause the oil/air mixture to combust, called "dieseling". This can cause damage to your piston and other internals. It sounds like a .22LR when this happens.

SG:
With CO2 guns, you have a drop off in speed over time, plus the added cost of CO2 over time. I do like them for the reason of the fixed barrel and the quick reloads, but the cost of CO2, and having to carry them, is a big downside. Imagine a tornado of crows above you, with more in the trees, and you run out of CO2. Buzz kill.

Accuracy wise, a good break action spring air RWS is every bit as accurate for you and me, as a CO2 gun would be. RWS does make a few side levers that have fixed barrels, but I'm not sure of the cost. My .22 cal Webley shoots dime sized groups at 40 yards. Certainly accurate enough for head shots on starlings and crows at that range.

Scope wise, you need to use a scope specifically designed for spring air guns. Spring air guns have a rather violent recoil impulse and they will trash your average .22 scope, or even cheap Tasco full sized rifle scopes. The cross hairs on the spring air scopes are build sturdier to take the additional recoil. Make sure your scope ring bases either have an integral scope stop, or buy one. About $15, and it keeps your scope from moving, again due to the recoil impulse.

I use iron sights on my .177 rifle, but on my .22cal rifle I have a Beeman 4x scope with a parallax compensator. It is 12+ years old and keeps on going strong after 3,000+ shots. Irons vs. a scope is a personal choice. At 40 yards and under, irons should be fine, but a scope is nice.

I've had one of these since high school.
It's been run hard and has never failed.

The unique 5mm pellet packs a good wallop.
8 pumps max and a little loud
If you need quiet, just give it 3 for close work.

Sheridan 5mm with Weaver 4x

DD,
Still have a 5mm Blue Streak that preceded the FWB 124....

SG,
A good quality break-barrel spring piston pushing quality pellets will put a smile on your face. Be sure to post pixels of same. Good glass will add to your enjoyment. As Andy indicated, only scopes designated for air rifles due to vibration/recoil. Because targets are usually close, I'd add that one with parallax adjustment is best. If your peepers are good, an aperture/peep sight doubles the sight radius of the standard irons and will serve most purposes if you don't want to go for a scope to start. Spring piston rifles take some time to smooth out and settle in. Like fine wine and women, they improve with time....

I bought this .177 pellet gun from an ad in the newspaper: 1500 fps one pump springloaded Pellet guns/$50, will deliver

I figured yeah, right.....but WTH, it's only $50. Dude shows it to me in the parking lot, no markings or stamping on it anywhere, and no safety......after a few rounds going through 1/2" plywood, I was sold

She is getting a bit tired after many rounds through her, but pellet gun dude, if you're still out there, I would buy another today

Lots of those chinese guns got sold around here. I bought 3 for about $35 each. Gave them all away, but they were plenty powerful. Tended to diesel a bit because of the grease they were packed in.

What oil would you recommend Dogfish, it could use a shot of a little sumthun sunthun, I know what you mean by diesling....

NF-
You'll need a needle too....

http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/RWS_Air_gun_Chamber_Lube_p/dyn2167510.htm

Had my 124 tuned by Beeman after a few thousand rounds. Molybdenum disulphide paste in the compression chamber and spring gel made it very smooth and quiet. No need to ever oil the chamber again with the moly. Beeman use to sell Dri-Slide with a needle for chamber lube as well but I don't see it on their website anymore. Had to shake that bottle well, inject a few drops, stroke repeatedly, invert and let the carrier solvent evaporate to preclude dieseling....

What he said.

I put a question into the WDFW regarding the legality of hunting small game with an airgun, and I am too impatient to wait for their reply.

Does anyone here know if Air Rifles can be considered firearms for the purpose of hunting?