The ACORN problems are isolated incidents within the organization. Yeah, they are fuckups... but they are NOT systemic and they HARDLY outweigh the GOOD that ACORN has done for impoverished people over the years.

What do you think is worse... a few people teachin' poor people how to cheat the Federal government out of a few hundred bucks... or Kellogg, Brown & Root bilking U.S. taxpayers out of BILLIONS of dollars... and actually KILLING some of our brave military members through their negligence?

How come no one on the right has started a thread about that?

ACORN is the right's boogeyman. They help a lot of people of color and 'conservatives' can't stand that fact.

Hank - your opinion and 3 buck won't even buy a cup of coffee.

I think it's just the general teaching of anything to poor people they dislike.

NO ONE is condoning what those people did... and to believe that we are IS sociopathic behavior.

Looks like Acorn just lost all its gubmint funding in an overwhelmingly bipartisan move by the House.

Fish on...

Todd

I can't believe this guy is still there....the Dems are kinda imploding..Pelosi,Reed,Holder...this is kinda entertaining actually.

How do you know how systematic it is???

"How do you know how systematic it is???"

we don't and neither does the RWWJ talking heads.

I guess if not every chapter of ACORN helps to defraud lenders and set up underage brothels it's not "systemic".

'cause up till now ACORN had a stellar reputation......

SYSTEMIC... as in organization-wide, standard proceedure, condoned activity etc...

The reason I know it ISN'T is because we would have heard much more about it from Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck if it were.

But all of that aside... do you really care Jerry?

Does it really matter to you what I know or might say?

Like I said before... ACORN is the right's boogeyman.

Seems stlhead and 4Salt put a lot of stock into what Rush has to say...
Also appears that THEY listen him, unlike the majority of the people they accuse of listening to him. Now the largely Dem controlled government has pulled funding for Acorn........ Quick, pull the funding and nobody can connect us to it!!!

So the all the "voters" the fraudulently registered nation wide means nothing? How many states were they investigated for that in 4 Salt? Let me help ya.

AR 1998 A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.
CO 2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.
2004 An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.
CT 2008 The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud.
FL 2008 Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties.
2004 A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.
IN 2008 Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.
MI 2008 Clerks in Detroit found a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications" from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney's office for investigation.
2004 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.
MO 2008 Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information.
2007 Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.
2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.
2003 Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.
MN 2004 During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.
NC 2008 County elections officials have sent suspicious voter registration applications to the state Board of Elections. Many of the applications had similar or identical names, but with different addresses or dates of birth.
2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.
NM 2008 Prosecutors are investigating more than 1,100 ACORN-submitted voter registration cards after a county clerk found them to be fraudulent. Many of the cards included duplicate names and slightly altered personal information.
2005 Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”
2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.
NV 2009 Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers. ACORN provided a bonus compensation program called “Blackjack” or “21+” for any canvasser who registered more than 20 voters per shift, which is illegal under Nevada law.
2008 Nevada state authorities raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud. Fraudulent registrations included players from the Dallas Cowboys.
OH 2008 ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.
2007 A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.
2004 A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.
PA 2009 Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system.
2008 State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found "clearly fraudulent" signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud.
2008 An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.
2004 Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.
TX 2008 In Harris County, nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information.
2008 ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.
VA 2005 In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.

In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia."
WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.
WI 2008 At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies.
2004 The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.


Rotten to the core!

Here's the thing Vic... in not ONE of those cases was ANYBODY convicted of VOTING illegally.

Do some research into how many low income families ACORN has helped over the years.

Ohhh and get a load of this:



You and the rest of the wingnuts just hate 'em because they help people of color.

You are right Hank.

This bad press ain't doin' Obama and the Dems any favors. I think that the Obama / ACORN connection is being seriously overblown by the right-wing media though. I think the bad apples are acting on their own accord and NOT with the blessing or even knowledge of the ACORN leadership.

I think the matter should be thoroughly investigated and the guilty brought to justice. I DO think that ACORN should still be allowed to participate in the Census though... mainly because of their unique ability to reach those impoverished people who have fallen through the cracks. An accurate census benefits ALL Americans.

4 Salt you disappoint me! Your attacks are scripted in the left wing play book. "If they are conservative accuse them of listening to Rush, and if that doesn't work accuse them of being racist or hating the poor! Works every time" . I think you are capable of better, but then again, I might be over estimating you.

So you are telling me the several hundred thousand examples of voter fraud I just listed didn't vote? Was this all just some sort of mistake? The intent to steal elections was/is there! But hey, if they are putting the guy in YOU want I, guess it is no big deal.

How can you say its a few bad apples when the former leader (Wayne Rathke) embezzled millions. The corruption goes straight to the top! Rather than press charges the way any normal organization would they just moved him to another post at subsidiary of Acorn. Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it? Why wouldn't they press charges?

There is way more than enough to launch a full investigation in to this crooked organization (formerly) fully funded by tax dollars. But Uncle Barry and his enforcer Slick Eric won't let that happen now will they? If there is nothing to hide, I would think that they would welcome the spotlight and put an end to all the speculation. I guess we will see what other sort of videos/accusations come out in the next couple of days. Should be entertaining if nothing else.

I tend to agree with the following question I read earlier today: