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#540068 - 09/22/09 08:37 PM Email From Cabela's
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To: Cabela's California Customers
From: Cabela's Communications
Subject: California Assembly Bill 962
Date: Sept. 22, 2009
We are writing to inform you of pending legislation that will restrict purchases of handgun ammunition in California and will terminate our ability to service your needs for certain products.

On Friday, Sept. 11, the California Assembly passed Assembly Bill 962, by a 44-31 vote.

Among other regulations, AB 962 would:


• Ban all mail-order and Internet sales of handgun ammunition.
• Prohibit the retail sale, the offer for sale or the display of handgun ammunition in a
manner that allows ammunition to be accessible to a purchaser without assistance of a
vendor or employee.
• Require that the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition occur in a
face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide
evidence of identity of the purchaser or other transferee.


That evidence of identity, which must be legibly recorded at the time of delivery, includes:


• The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee.
• The date of the sale or other transaction.
• The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other identification number and the
state in which it was issued.
• The brand, type and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred.
• The purchaser's or transferee's signature.
• The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction.
• The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and telephone number.
• The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.


The bill is on the desk of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, where it awaits his consideration. He will have until Oct. 11 to sign or veto the bill. If he does not veto the bill, it will become law.

If you wish to comment on AB 962, you may contact Gov. Schwarzenegger by phone at (916) 445-2841, or via fax at (916) 558-3160. To e-mail Gov. Schwarzenegger, visit
http://gov.ca.gov/interact

We encourage all Cabela's customers who participate in the shooting sports to contact Gov. Schwarzenegger to voice their opposition to this initiative, which will limit your opportunities to shop with Cabela's, and will restrict the sale of handgun ammunition everywhere in California


Passed on September 11th of all days.
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#540075 - 09/22/09 08:48 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: Salmonella]
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Sal----It's scary stuff and I'm sorry you guys have to deal with that kind of BS.

It will creep north like a virus and we will be in the same boat eventually.

As you can see on this board that there are many liberal assswipes here that would readily stand in front of that wall.

Some of us will keep fighting.........
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#540084 - 09/22/09 09:03 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: ]
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That's about right Hank....hopefully a few more and I'll be in cooler climes up north..looking at Russia from my front porch.wink
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#540085 - 09/22/09 09:04 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: ]
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Cali is one BIG fcked up state. I would never be caught dead living in that Republic...I don't even like visting their much any more. Wa has very good gun rights... including Castle Doctrine. I think I heard it's ranked around 10th in the Union. Vermont and Alaska the best.
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#540099 - 09/22/09 09:32 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: ]
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It would take decades to catch up to the R.C.
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#540226 - 09/23/09 10:58 AM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: ]
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Sal-

this is exactly what we discussed earlier - there will be no grabbing of guns, we will just have them legislated away. frown
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#540234 - 09/23/09 11:44 AM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: ]
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This cant be true as the government would never do this without a logical reason, right?

They dont need to take guns away when they can just turn owning guns into a burden.

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#540236 - 09/23/09 11:51 AM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: Marz]
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Originally Posted By: Marz
This cant be true as the government would never do this without a logical reason, right?

They dont need to take guns away when they can just turn owning guns into a burden.

agree
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#540237 - 09/23/09 11:52 AM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: Marz]
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A lot of that proposed law is pretty unfortunate...it's too bad we gun owners didn't reign in the gun nuts a long time ago, as laws like these are aimed at them, and there's an awful lot of them out there now...and the other 80% of us get lumped in.

Fish on...

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#540240 - 09/23/09 12:06 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: Todd]
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I agree, this at least will have an equal effect on illegal firearms.

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#540250 - 09/23/09 12:30 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
A lot of that proposed law is pretty unfortunate...it's too bad we gun owners didn't reign in the gun nuts a long time ago, as laws like these are aimed at them, and there's an awful lot of them out there now...and the other 80% of us get lumped in.

Fish on...

Todd


Is it aimed at the gun nuts?.....or is it the usual simple mindedness of lawmakers who believe that criminals care about such laws and fear "gettin in trouble" and put forth by those with an underlying agenda?
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#540252 - 09/23/09 12:35 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: Salmonella]
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All the gun laws are aimed at stopping the nuts out there who shoot people...but they sweep up the legit owners just as well.

Fish on...

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#540253 - 09/23/09 12:35 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: Marz]
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Originally Posted By: Marz
I agree, this at least will have an equal effect on illegal firearms.


Not picking a fight, but besides a full auto firearm what is an "illegal firearm"?
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#540257 - 09/23/09 12:44 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: snit]
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Originally Posted By: snit
Originally Posted By: Marz
I agree, this at least will have an equal effect on illegal firearms.


Not picking a fight, but besides a full auto firearm what is an "illegal firearm"?


unregistered and / or stolen firearms AKA "a piece". Firearms most commonly used for urban wars and killing humans due to their being untraceable.

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#540262 - 09/23/09 12:59 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: Marz]
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Bottom line is that officials need to enforce the laws that are already in place instead of blaming the crime on guns or ammo, thereby affecting law abiding citizens.

Too simple ????
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#540266 - 09/23/09 01:20 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: ]
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Those that are this gung-ho on gun laws (for the most part) are not gun owners, hunters, shooters, etc. so they just make sweeping motions to eliminate what they find to be of no use.

To them, "why should anyone have any guns or ammo". I could say the same about soy milk and yoga but, I digress.

It isn't easy talking to those that would prefer to child proof the world rather than avoid the sharp stuff and take some personal responsibility.

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#540267 - 09/23/09 01:21 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: ]
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I'm surprised the bill made it to Awnold's desk without some forewarning from the people that keep their eyes on the state houses. Wasn't there any news about this bill when it was being drafted?
Seems like the NRA or some other group would have spread the word about the pending bill to try and prevent it from getting this far.
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#540272 - 09/23/09 01:48 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: AuntyM
Originally Posted By: Mikespike
Sal-

this is exactly what we discussed earlier - there will be no grabbing of guns, we will just have them legislated away. frown


Careful... you might get accused of fear mongering and being paranoid Mike!


paranoid - no. we already lead the way in restrictions via legislation. Photo ID, waiting period, limited capacity magazine, etc., we got it all - quietly legislate away capacity (rounds and caliber), ammunition, then limit those again later on and we'll be able to own cap pistols. hmmm, maybe only rubber band guns. frown
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#540316 - 09/23/09 04:37 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: Marz]
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Originally Posted By: Marz
Those that are...gung-ho on gun laws...are...those that would prefer to child proof the world...


That just about sums it up right there!
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#540376 - 09/23/09 09:04 PM Re: Email From Cabela's [Re: SciGuy]
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I've got to agree that this legislation fits to a tee Sal's previous descriptions of CA's incremental increases in the burden of gun ownership, or at least handgun shooting if you have to go through a hassle to get ammo.

It seems like it's aimed at reducing the use of handguns for violence. Of course it will have a negligible effect on that at most, like most gun laws.

If I'm not mistaken, the primary firearm problem needing to be addressed is gun violence among gangbangers and drug dealers. The simple, but socially unacceptable solutions would be: 1) legalize all drugs that are part of the drug violence problem; and 2) pass a law that any certified member of a gang can be shoot on sight by any citizen as an act of social improvement. Drug violence disappears, and gang members disappear or become extremely hard to find any more. I get some of my ideas for fixing society from Dogfish.

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