http://www.bing.com/search?q=Hardin+Montana+Police&go=&form=QBLH&qs=n

I'm putting this up with the acknowledgement that most of the information comes from right wing blogs, some from CBS. I was called by a friend from Montana, who was extremely disturbed by the prospect. If any of it is true it disturbs me as a former LE.

And take note this firm is connected to Blackwater, for all of you who opposed their use in Iraq. The whole thing smells bad!


We had private security firms that tried to affiliate with PDs here years ago. They were politely told to cease or pay the price. They copied emblems and vehicles.

From Gitmo to Hardmo. Think of the money we'll save on travel expenses for rendition. I think it's part of President Obama's secret plan to use the information gathered druing the census and gather up all the republicans for transfer to Hardmo. After they confiscate their guns, of course. And put them on a no-bacon diet. That's what Michelle Bachmann told me, anyway.

Once you've had the vaccine it will all make sense.

H1N1 = secret liberal code for "Hear one...Nail one". It refers to right wingers.

Of course the whacko lefties replying to this immediately took it as an attack on their "lazy fairy" belief system. How's that for paranoid? What a bunch of culls!

But I suppose none of it is true. More made up stuff by the right. I wasn't commenting on political implications only the fact that they are there.

I know what a gohardly is but what is a stlhead? Stoolhead, stillhead?

"putting this up with the acknowledgement that most of the information comes from right wing blogs"

"More made up stuff by the right."

You answered yourself.

Here's another answer from the town:

Fear and paranoia are running so high over Hardin, Montana's decision to put a shady private security contractor in charge of a local prison that the town agency behind the deal has posted a message on its website saying that "there are no commandos in the streets," and seeking to knock down other outlandish rumors.

A message on the website of the Two Rivers Authority, Hardin's economic development arm, reads:

We welcome anyone to visit our town! There are no commandos in the streets. There is no fence or gate being built around Hardin. People are free to come and go as they please. APF is not running our town or our police force.
The message is a response to false rumors that have surfaced on conspiracy-oriented web sites, such as that the APF deal is part of a plan by the Obama administration to have "all major cities locked down" by the end of October.

But the town has done little, of course, to ease more legitimate anxieties about the lack of information available about APF, and about the lengthy criminal record of Michael Hilton, the APF staffer involved in the deal.

Everytime the Repugs fvck up and lose power they start this fear campaign horseschit in Bumfvckville, USA, scaring stupid hicks into thinking the Gay Jewish Negros are a-comin'. During the Clinton years it was U.N. Convoys in Kansas writing directions in code on the backs of roadsigns to prep for the impending invasion.

Doesn't this smack of "Red Dawn" to anyone?

Stlhead, I read that part also. The part they don't address and again this was not posted as a "redcoats are comin!" is why they come into town with Hardin Police Dept. stickers on their doors and then for some unknown reason the stickers disappear? I suppose some right wing blog made that up? The friend who called me hadn't even read these blogs. He was there and concerned as any right minded person would be and his question was simple. "Can they do that?" Obviously they couldn't and took the signs off.

Yes I mentioned it was a right wing blog story. And I read it with a grain. You take the one story that suits your little mind and take it for absolute fact. Oh I forgot, you believe politicians and public officials!

I prefer to believe some and doubt some.

Your last paragraph says it all.

I also remember when the Baghwan came into Central Oregon and the locals got suspicious. The politicians of course said "have no fear". And some of them ended up almost paying with their lives. I was there.

LOL

Yep. I actually had a drinkin' buddy back in the early 90's that believed all that crap. Hook Line & Sinker. Black helicopters, That "Opt out of paying Income Tax Form" scam that went around gunshows...

...And this lil doozie: "Chemtrails" he swore up and down the contrails coming off behind jetliners was really a chemical spray that was mind control or made children gay or some other such horse$hit.

Every summer he'd also claim he saw a UFO or a Black Helicopter or Gnomes in his mom's garden. Nice guy but I shouldn't have expected much out of a guy with a 9th Grade education who lived in his mom's singlewide and sold dime bags to supplement his foodstamps until he was 23.

And FYI he has a NObama sticker on his work truck.

" Irie..front me a bag until friday"

Ummm, no, it's a parody of your tin-hatted irrational fear and whackjobbery. You need to unbunch your urine stained panties, take off the steelpot, and stand down, soldier. It'll be alright, really. You read it on a right wing blog; the same type of blog that gave you death panels, and search o' the birth certificate, and government takeover, and teabaggers, and.... well, you get the idea.

I grew up in that area, Hardin is a very small town. We had my family reunion there this year and that prison looks very out of place.

Tell ya what Hardly, you disturb me and you concern me but you damn sure don't scare me! You pinheaded, potty mouthed jerk off! You obviously can't tell the difference. Typical rational lefty! Your arguments bore me!

Obviously, neither can you. The context clearly pointed out--to those with mature cognitive function, anyway--that you're a-skeered of a private security firm conducting business in an empty prison. At no time, in no way did I imply that I might instill fear within you. Although I do admit there are some things that are naturally occuring.

But I'm willing to cut you some slack, because I've been told that reading comprehension skills are weakest in conservative unemployed welfare recipients. I know, that's redundant.

They're just starting to open this can of worms that the Hardin city officials have gotten the state into. The media and state legislators are starting to dig fast and deep on this crook that is behind this whole "APF" scam. In the last couple of days they uncovered A LOT of dirt on the leader and I would be suprised if the state and governor doesn't step in real soon and chase this dog and pony show out of town and tell the city officials to pull their heads out of their asses. This guy has been in the CA courts constantly over the past 6-8 yrs for crooked business and personal issues. Sued over many crooked contracting deals as well as several personal bankruptcy's and doesn't show to be of much fiscal value in reality..Most are beginning to feel that this was just the beginning of a shady scheme that Hardin officials gobbled up hook, line, and balls and all... The city doesn't even currently have a city police force as its handled by the county's sheriffs office so I would imagine this show of force comming to their tiny city limits really lit up their eyes...I'm sure the promise of their own fleet of shiny black SUV's with oversized chrome rims didn't hurt either!! The old "we'll even throw in the cars" bit melted their hearts..Lots of wet spots running around at that city counsil meeting..
All I know is that once the media had a target they didn't have to dig very deep into the burrow to find the rat hiding there..We'll see what the next week brings..

RJ in Montana

That's right keep your pinhead stuck in the sand. The only slack you can cut is the slack in your jaw. Did you learn that bit of information in your remedial studies class at the homeless shelter? Sorry harley I don't understand what welfare is or even how to get it. Never had any use for it. Perhaps one day you can get off it and write a book about how to get it. Maybe that's why you don't see a lot of conservatives on welfare. They didn't pick up the self help books. Too busy working I suppose.

Actually a great many Conservatives are on "Welfare" in the form of Social Security, Medicare, Military Pensions, Disability, Farm Subsidies, Military Contracts, Highway Subsidies...you name it.

But just like everything else conservatards are involved in, they feel they are "right" and "special" and "deserving."

Let's do a very conservative thing and do away with The VA and the SSA and say "Sorry, you stupid idiots didn't wanna pay your taxes, so we had to $hitcan your precious services."

Then we'll start seeing these hypocritical hillbillies "swaller their chaw" and start complaining... but it will be about everyone else (Minorities) not paying their fair share.

Looky all the red states gobblen up dat der welfare:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/fedspend_per_taxesbystate-20071009.pdf

I didn't realize that red states were 100% conservative. Perhaps most of the welfare recepiants in the red states are liberal.

I highly doubt that people who collect welfare long-term even vote...

The entire Southeast of the United States, and eastern Washington, got a good laugh out of that one.

I'm sure that's the case.

Or it isn't.

Whichever.

Irie, what the hell are you talking about. Look at your paycheck. You pay in to Social security and medicare and Labor and industries and pensions are part of the pay package, just like health insurance, including unions. Most folk are getting screwed on SS anyway since the govt removed several of the expense catagories from the inflation index, to reduce the amount of inflation and thereby reduce the increase in the SS COLA increase.
Party membership, has nothing to do with who recieves the money. It also has nothing to do with minorities not paying their fair share. Those who work, pay the same. We had welfare reform in the 90's. I hear its slowly being dismantled, unfortunately.

As for subsidies, I will throw in with you, but both sides get hit up for subsidies, for one business or another. It would probably be difficult to find someone who doesnt benefit from a subsidy. Taking a shot at Veterans, thru the eyes of conservatives is pathetic. There is a big disconnect between the voters and the politicians in how money should be spent.

I am looking at my paycheck. I don't pay into SS, FICA, or L&I.
I pay a flat 33% to Uncle Sam every year. Matter o' fact I paid over $50k in Federal Income Tax last year, which I do believe covers my tolls for highway and infrastructure use this year. Not to mention that I vote. Non-voters need to leave this forum immediately. They have no right to complain, ever.
And you completely missed my point about dumfuks blaming their problems on brown people, which doesn't surprise me in the least, because most threads here are totally over your head. Veterans or no, they are still on the Gov't dole. Up until massive unemployment post-WWII, Veterans didn't get JACK for their service except a good machine-gunning courtesy of Lt. MacArthur on the grass of the Capitol Mall. Like I said, which you missed, THAT in YOUR book-- Conservative's welfare is "special" and "deserved" and "different" from that received by childless mothers, lunatics, cripples, retards, and the elderly.

If you are self employed, you pay roughly 15% which is both the employee and the employer share of SS and medicare and medicaid. Its right in the tax schedule and also shows up on the tax forms as a separate amount. If youre self employed, L and I is an option, from the state. Dont pay, dont collect. You have your employment numbers backwards. The depression was ended because of the war. We also had a draft, ie you carry a gun or go to prison.

So, in addition to redefining the word welfare, you are redefining the word EARNED. Military is still underpaid for the risk they take. Cops earn much more. If you dont think Military earns their pay and benefits, you arent a liberal or a conservative, just an Ahole that hates people. That would fit, since you rarely make a comment, without insulting or degrading someone in your post. Its always personal with you. Some people are so miserable, they get joy out of making other people angry or sad. Im surprised there is room for a computer under your rock.

"Now let's not be racist. Some of my best friends have gnomes in their gardens."

In my younger drug days some of my best friends WERE gnomes.....I think.

WTF? lead eater...

So there was no post war recession?

You truly live in your own lil world.

As you can see here, the job losses of the '48, '53 and '58 recessions were far worse than the one we're in now.

You misquoted me. Interesting site, I'll give ya that.... But, the graph was from february 9, 2009 and that job loss graph was incomplete.
Weve already doubled the 1948 recession. You changed the reference point. Unemployment before the war, was upwards of 25%.

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/02/job-losses-during-recessons.html

From the article-
The second graph (that Barry asked me for) shows the job losses from the start of the employment recession, in percentage terms (as opposed to the number of jobs lost).

For the current recession, employment peaked in December 2007, and this recession is about as bad as the 1981 recession in percentage terms at this point.

In the earlier post-war recessions, there were huge swings in manufacturing employment. Now manufacturing is a much smaller percentage of the economy, and the swings aren't as significant because of technological advances. This is the main reason that job losses were larger in those earlier recessions.


http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/07/employment-report-467k-jobs-lost-95.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression_in_the_United_States



http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1528.html


Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Historical Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1957 (Washington, D.C., 1960), p.70. Depression Era Unemployment Statistics
Year Population Labor
Force Unemployed Percentage of
Labor Force

year population labor force UE % of labor force
1929 88,010,000 49,440,000 1,550,000 3.14
1930 89,550,000 50,080,000 4,340,000 8.67
1931 90,710,000 50,680,000 8,020,000 15.82
1932 91,810,000 51,250,000 12,060,000 23.53
1933 92,950,000 51,840,000 12,830,000 24.75
1934 94,190,000 52,490,000 11,340,000 21.60
1935 95,460,000 53,140,000 10,610,000 19.97
1936 96,700,000 53,740,000 9,030,000 16.80
1937 97,870,000 54,320,000 7,700,000 14.18
1938 99,120,000 54,950,000 10,390,000 18.91
1939 100,360,000 55,600,000 9,480,000 17.05
1940 101,560,000 56,180,000 8,120,000 14.45
1941 102,700,000 57,530,000 5,560,000 9.66


The percentage of unemployment before the war was much worse, than post WWII. That was my point. I never said we didnt have a recession after the war. I had not bothered to look at unemployment figures post war. Interesting that 5% unemployment was considered a recession, compared to today. But, we also had a much smaller economy.

Im going back to my little world, now.

there is another graph from July in a link for the same criteria. Its about to dip below the 1948 recession as of July.

I got way off into the weeds over his comment about the benefits of veterans post war. I suspect there we other factors, increasing their benefits and pay. Noone talks about a recession of 48. All we hear about is the baby boom and some pristine economy. Perhaps the people who wrote about the baby boomer post war economy never looked at the graph. I remember a Carter debate, where he complained about the Ford economy of early 70's. By 78 those early years didnt look so bad. Somewhere along the line, someone decided 4 or 4.5% unemployment was considered full employment.

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works for me.

good one Irie.