#550444 - 10/29/09 11:37 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: fishhog]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
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...proceed to send 230 grains of .45ACP down the pipe and send him to meet his maker. Why a .45? No need for followup shots!!! 
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#550480 - 10/29/09 12:47 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: goharley]
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Spawner
Registered: 12/11/06
Posts: 708
Loc: Bellingham
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One thing that has crossed my mind many times, is how I would be judged by a jury. Would I get some tree huggin', life lovin', rainbow knitting, fairy do gooder? Or would I get a jury of people that think that my actions were truly justified? In the split second that I dropped the assailant, my life would forever change. I would either live with the image ingrained in my head of dropping the guy and thankful that my family was safe and carry on my life as normal. OR, I would now be locked up behind bars because I didn't call 911 and wait for them to respond.
Don't get me wrong, I know I would shoot, I'm just sayin'......
Seems like either way, it's a big gamble. Shoot and you could be screwed, don't shoot and you are screwed along with your loved ones.
I think it's a roll of the dice on how the jury is feeling that day.
I would like to think that somehow, someway justice would be served by the courts, but in the homeowners favor and not the slain assailants.
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#550487 - 10/29/09 01:09 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Thrasher]
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Poodle Smolt
Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10878
Loc: McCleary, WA
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"I was in my own home, and I was in immediate fear for my safety and the safety of my family. The man kept coming, so I took the necessary steps to remove the threat. I'm a bit shaken right now, so that is all I will say. Anything else will need to go through my attorney."
Sya this and you will meet all of the requirements of the specific RCW.
9A.16.050
Homicide — By other person — When justifiable.
Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:
(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or
(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he is.
[1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.16.050.]
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#550489 - 10/29/09 01:12 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Dogfish]
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Spawner
Registered: 12/11/06
Posts: 708
Loc: Bellingham
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"I was in my own home, and I was in immediate fear for my safety and the safety of my family. The man kept coming, so I took the necessary steps to remove the threat. I'm a bit shaken right now, so that is all I will say. Anything else will need to go through my attorney."
Sya this and you will meet all of the requirements of the specific RCW.
9A.16.050
Homicide — By other person — When justifiable.
Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:
(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or
(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he is.
[1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.16.050.]
I like it.......in theory. Having it stand up in court is where I lose the faith.
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#550500 - 10/29/09 01:36 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Thrasher]
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April Fool
Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
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Washington
The statute in Washington state appear to be very simply and broadly stated.[19]
The law allows use of deadly force in the lawful defense of oneself, a family member, or any other person, when there is reasonable ground to prevent action(s) of the person slain to commit a felony or to do injury or harm, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or in the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, on those in their presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which they are.
Washington state doesn’t have a specific Castle Doctrine law, but has no duty to retreat as precedent was set when the State Supreme Court found "that there is no duty to retreat when a person is assaulted in a place where he or she has a right to be
Edited by Sol Duc (10/29/09 01:37 PM)
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#550514 - 10/29/09 01:59 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
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The people who have got into trouble are the ones who chase down a perp and execute him. Or the ones who's warped minds think they can execute someone for simply tresspassing.
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#550524 - 10/29/09 02:14 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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Spawner
Registered: 10/18/04
Posts: 502
Loc: Whatcom
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GoHarley - I was looking for that exact pic to go along with my previous post  I think that generally speaking , most people on a jury if it actually came down to it, can sympathize with any home owner if they were standing before the judge. Just be thankful we don't live in Crazyfornia, otherwise all bet are off. I personally would like to throw Child Molesters into the same arena as home invaders. Molest my child, you'll end up in a wood box.
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#550536 - 10/29/09 02:50 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: fishhog]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 6732
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Yeah but the other side of the coin is Texas where you CAN be shot for trespassing.
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#550559 - 10/29/09 03:41 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: fishhog]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/26/06
Posts: 4317
Loc: South Sound
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Why a .45? No need for followup shots!!!
Truth be told, I had a great-uncle that took THREE .45 slugs in one sitting. Including one to the melon. It was a workplace 'postal' shooting at a jobsite in Oakland back in the 60's. He would have bought it then & there along with his two other coworkers if he hadn't been a civil engineer and wearing a metal pocket-protector. He took the one lodged in his skull and the one that ricocheted off the protector and traveled to his leg to his grave, 35 years later.
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#550734 - 10/30/09 12:44 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Thrasher]
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Poodle Smolt
Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10878
Loc: McCleary, WA
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That is a great example. That guy had focus.
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#551022 - 10/30/09 08:37 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Dogfish]
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WINNER
Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
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yup, got the drop on that attacking piece of paper and killed it dead....
nice group.
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#551181 - 10/31/09 03:01 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: ParaLeaks]
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Spawner
Registered: 10/18/04
Posts: 502
Loc: Whatcom
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There was no "Fear Factor" i.e the papercouldn't hurt him other than a nasty paper cut Nice shottin and good practice none the less
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#551218 - 10/31/09 10:30 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Tim M.]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 3116
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I use a progressive defense load pattern in my 357.The first two rounds are snakeshot.That won't stop anybody but stings like hell.
The next two rounds are semi wad cutters loaded backwards.Those won't penetrate but will knock you down.The third two rounds are 158 gr. jacketed hollow points with the hollow points drilled out and shotgun primers pressed in backwards.I call these disrupters.If I have to get to those your probably going to be cut in half.If I get called on whether I used excessive force,I can point out that he would't stop on the non lethal rounds.This also helps if a child has got a hold of the weapon.The snakeshot probably won't seriously injure anybody but should scare the hell out of the child if he discharges the weapon.If needs be in a confrontational situation,I can get six rounds off in under four seconds. If the intruder is close enough, you wont get four shots. True, they would stop some, but keep in mind, a guys with a knife within 21 feet, will stab you, before you can draw and fire. Its taught in hand gun courses. If the guy has a gun, your buckshot isnt going to defend you. If the guy gets a chance to knock down your weapon, you got a problem. If hes still coming after the first shot, he could be on pcp or something else. The video example doesnt reallly give you a true example. Figure the age of the average assailant, they will move faster than the cardboard target. Practice helps. Does this scare you more than the cardboard? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juGDmRfyuFM&NR=1
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#551283 - 10/31/09 04:39 PM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Fast and Furious]
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WINNER
Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
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Maybe that dipstick's "tough guy" status got trimmed down a bit when he had to change his shorts.
That doesn't make the bow hunting score charts, IMO....it does, however, make the "my stupidity almost got me/us killed" nominations.
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#551991 - 11/03/09 09:10 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
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Returning Adult
Registered: 06/11/07
Posts: 387
Loc: West of Seattle
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"The snakeshot probably won't seriously injure anybody but should scare the hell out of the child if he discharges the weapon."
Make sure a child doesn't get the weapon.
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#552279 - 11/04/09 02:52 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: floatinghat]
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Parr
Registered: 12/08/00
Posts: 68
Loc: UNIVERSITY PLACE,WA
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I think that goes without saying.
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#552280 - 11/04/09 03:52 AM
Re: Home owner 1, burglar 0
[Re: Fast and Furious]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/26/06
Posts: 4317
Loc: South Sound
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No. Watching some tourist assf*ck on a canned hunt tag a hippo with a bow after its been blasted 2x with an elephant gun (watch it close) doesn't thrill me at all. Matter of fact, canned hunts rate up at about 9.9 on the all time pussy scale, right under...well I can't think of anything more pussy than a canned hunt, except maybe buying a military medal on Ebay and telling people you're a war hero. Or shooting a tied-up veal calf with a .505 Gibbs from the back of a truck and mounting the head on your wall. That reminds me--The Makah blasted their whale with an Elephant Rifle right before the "team" came up and poked it with a 'traditional' wooden harpoon. Very manly.
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