Second Plant for the Dreamliner?.......gone.
Headquarters.......gone.
Will the whole company pull out?

Mngmnt wants to break the Union...and would love to move everything to "right to work states" that is their goal.

Average wage in Everett is 26.00 per hour..average wage in S.C is 14.00 per hour...you do the math.

Huh? I just filled up yesterday and paid $2.79 gal. Not sure where they got their numbers at.

ISO

Everett has the Navy Base. Charleston lost their shipyard years ago.

Hank won't be bothered with such trivial matters such as facts. They interfere with his entire world view.

You mean your made-up figures to suit your opinions?

YES. Yes indeed.

http://www.boomerater.com/newsurroundings/277-everett-washington-relocation-retirement-advice

Stats about Everett
Total Population: 91,290
Cost of Living
Median Household Income: $40,100
Median Home Value: $168,300
State sales tax: 6.5%




Susan or Sarah?

Regardless, that would be home values from BEFORE your buttbuddy Bush trashed the Economy and ran home values into the schitter.

The only way the state could have avoided this is to make the state a "right to work state." But with the unions (and indians) running this state that would be shooting themselves in the foot so off to SC for the 2nd line. The libs and unions would rather lose the war then admit their errors.

I wonder if I'll like it there??? I hear the fishing is pretty good and have heard much much much better things about the women. Hmmm!

I'll find out soon enough as I'm spending a couple of weeks there around the holidays.

p.s. As for the wages a junior workforce will not be making on average as much as a senior workforce. In this case <5 yrs @ SC and >20 years @ PS. The wages should even out over 20 years or so.

The weather can get ugly in that area......real ugly. Glad I don't have to make the decision of whether or not to move.
Cost of living/doing business here is a huge incentive to get out. Higher unemployment here means more fishermen on MY rivers....
All you bastages.......OUT!

All you have to do is drive by the Machinist's Union building near the Everett plant and get a look at the artwork/statue out front to get a feel for why Boeing might move manufacturing somewhere else. The statue is of a family with a strike sign standing next to a burn barrel.

It's not just about busting the union. I've lived my entire life being blackmailed periodically by Boeing. Only now they don't hold as much clout around here as they once did. I think it's more of Boeing picking up it's toys and going somewhere else to play...somewhere where they hold more sway over the populace...and can hold that populaces feet to the fire when they need to. SC should be careful what it wishes for as the demands have only just begun. Once entrenched they'll find out what Boeing is really all about.

Response to Second 787 Line Announcement
October 28, 2009 - "Boeing has betrayed our loyalty once again, walking away from our discussions just like they walked away from Seattle eight years ago to move to Chicago.

We tried very hard to reach an extended agreement with Boeing. We listened closely to what executives said, and suggested ideas to meet their needs. We offered concrete, real-world solutions.

But I can tell you now, no matter what Boeing says or implies, the truth is this: We did offer Boeing a 10-year contract, and even offered to go longer than that. And when we did, they seemed stunned, and stopped talking.

It was obvious to me that Boeing wasn’t really interested in working with us. They didn't take our proposals seriously and they never offered any proposals of their own. Most of the time, they didn’t even take notes.

It's now clear that Boeing was only using our talks as a smoke screen, and as a bargaining chip to extort a bigger tax handout from South Carolina.

I haven't reported this before -- not to our members and certainly not to the media -- because Boeing had asked for confidential talks. My word means something, so I said nothing, even while the company was leaking half-truths to reporters.

When our team asked Boeing if 10 years was going to be enough for them, they didn't respond. And when I asked them to confirm that the extended contract would secure the second 787 line for Washington state, their reply was only: "Well, it would be helpful." But they would not commit to anything.

Still, we tried to get a deal, because I know that's what our members and our community wanted. To do that, we were willing to discuss any issue to get a deal that we could recommend to our members. We floated ideas on health care costs, wages, pensions and lump sums.

None of this mattered to Boeing. They didn't want solutions, but only a scapegoat.

Our seven-week strike last year is not the reason the 787 is already more than 120 weeks behind schedule.

Instead of investing in our shared future and a highly talented workforce in a region ideally suited for aerospace, Boeing has decided to double-down on its failed 787 strategy and place an ill-advised, billion-dollar bet on a strategy that’s a proven loser.”

This morning Boeing says the decision wasn't about incentives, so reports that talks with union and government representatives were just for appearance's sake are probably true. Boeing CEO said the decision was based on labor costs. That pretty well sums it up.

I'm no labor expert, but I find it surprising that you can actually hire a talented machinist for $14/hr, even in this economy. A family man would starve at that wage. It would make more sense to move the family into a tent and poach fish and game. Just my rambling thought.

Sg

It clearly is a labor cost issue. Any negotiations with unions up here, were merely a smokescreen to get more concessions from SC.

I have worked with some folks who came from the Naval yard in Charleston when it broke up, and as a general rule, they weren't smart enough to pour piss out of a boot before they put in on.

Within 2 years, I imagine that there will be real issues with the quality of the labor force in SC. That point was made above in that the work force will be 20 years "younger". If you are a Boeing employee around the Everett area, you could probably score a much higher position in SC in a couple of years. Skilled labor for that particular plant is going to be in high demand. I imagine that if you travelled to that area this time of year, it is pretty nice. Summer time, forget it.

Simple fact is most of the major manufacturing in this country is going to be moving into Right to Work the red states. It has been coming for the last 10 years.

Actually it has more to do with the Fact that Lindsey Graham has a senior spot on the Armed Services commitee, something which Murray & Cantwell do not.
Did everyone suddenly forget about this tanker deal Boeing's been sucking dick to land?

I don't know about the quality of work done by a machinist here versus in SC, but something about paying people $14 an hour to build a commercial plane that I may be flying on doesn't sit well with me.

Boys, the current median home price for the greater Everett area as of today is $259,000. According to Charlestonehomes.com as of June 2009 the median home price in Charleston was $186,000.

Folks down that way can't be that untalented. They seem to do just fine building the Toyotas, BMWs, Hyundais, and Nissans. And according to most major auto publications their quality, fit and finishes are still bettter than the UAW constructed stuff.

A lot of Boeing workers remind me of spoiled X wives that sat around for years bitching that they deserved better treatment while putting out less and thinking they were irreplaceable. If big daddy leaves it's going to hurt. Count on it. That said I don't see it happening. They just have to much property around here to devalue it that much. Who would buy it and put themselves into a position that would involve hiring a bunch of old x wives.

Several years ago my buddy who supervised about 30 software folks at Boeing came to work and found that everyone but him was being layed off. Seems they could hire 12 Russians at the cost of one worker here. My buddy said it was sad indeed, but if the company didn't do it, they wouldn't survive.

Too bad that over the years the relationship between the Union and the Company has sorrowed to the point, where the spoken goal by the Union in the last strike was to break the company. When those kind of things get said, your not even thinking anymore.

Its all about labor costs, but at the same time, its more about the failure of both sides to maintain a healthy relationship based in reality. The Union and the Company own this together. But, as usual it will be the average worker who pays the price.