Is Obama giving handouts there as well??

Keith

(Sorry in advance for this rant but after seeing some of the election results tonight... ughhh. How broke do we all have to be for the people of this region to wake up!?!?)
I guess I better start by saying "my name is Erik and I'm a union member". I choose to be ONLY because the (notice I don't say "my") union tells my employer that they have to pay for my health and welfare benefits, which happen to be far superior to what I (or my company) could purchase at just about any price. Selfish I know. However I (not the union) negotiate the rest of my compensation package because I (not the union) decide what I am worth. As workers we have the ability to make choices which allow us to bargain for ourselves. Am I willing to produce at a level that justifies my cost? Am I willing to do what it takes to constantly better myself? Are my interests aligned with the company's? There will always be the BWPs of the world that keep the top rungs of the ladder free by striving to be no better than average and bitching that they should have more.
The bottom line is this- whether you're democrat or republican, for business or for the worker- if the business does not prosper, there will be less opportunity for the worker. Companies operate for one reason- to turn a profit. Unfortunately, there are at least 3800 workers in the Puget Sound that won't get an opportunity at all thanks to the machinists. Unbelievable! Unless they change their ways, there will be much more to go.

I know how we could help those that want to work and see business prosper in this state. Let's package up Gregoire, labor leaders and their brainwashed brethren and all the rest of the bleeding hearts and buy them one way tickets to SC.

Why don't we just settle for a single one way ticket for you? And the next person who wants to complain about one of the best business climates in the nation can get one too.

All the perfume in the world isn't going to make that roadkill smell any better. The handwriting is on the wall. Boeing airplanes are going to be built in places other than Washington. I'm thinking my next truck will be either a Ford or Toyota Tundra. Guessing the Tundra will get the nod. Built by people who care about craftsmanship.

Boeing Airplanes were already being built in places other than Washington.

It's a no win situation my friend, and it just got worse. It's people like you that create the business climate. There IS a correlation between your voting habits/ entitlement views and the taxes that both we as individuals, as well as businesses pay in this state. We are all going to pay more now, thank you. With any kind of luck maybe Gregoire will hire all of the unemployed union members to work for the state so we can pay for that too.

lazy people that are not willing to prove their own worth SUCK! By the way, reagrdless of your opinion on experience, talent CAN (and will) be taught.

You're the union worker, right?

So WHO creates the business climate again?

Pot
Kettle
Black

So let me get this straight. You are arguing that the more the taxpayer gives away to corporations the less the taxpayer has to pay in taxes?

"We are all going to pay more now"

Where? Seems SC is going to pay more now not us.

No! This state's governments' expenditures grew yesterday. As business revenues go down or away (as in the case of Boeing) there are less state and local taxes collected. Who do you think is going to make up the delta? In fact, the majority of voters here agreed yesterday that they are willing to do so without having a voice.

Sounds to me like your comprehension skills a a bit clouded today Dan. If you disagree with what I said then make a valid point against it.

What went away? Nothing. This was net new business not existing business.

Your logic seems to be...if everyone were willing to take a pay cut AND give tax breaks and whatever subsidies to the Corps then we'd be better off because they will continue to stay here and demand more pay cuts and more tax breaks and so on and so on....you see where it ends.

Your right, the last thing that WA residents need is more jobs and industry...

So you guys are saying that Forbes magazine is full of sh!t, huh?

Do you read the National Equirer too?

Yeah. Because Forbes is the same as the National Enquirer.

Did you have a big plate of stupid for lunch?

This simply makes no sense at all???? The 787 is using new materials and assembly techniques so there are no experianced workers here or anywhere else in the world! Wierd to see a plane being built with no rivits or body panels. Now the mechanics are gaining experiance every day but most of those are in thier mid 20's and about half are not from Wa. state. In fact many here are anxiously awaiting ramp up in SC so they can get the hell out of this state! The sooner the better! I expect that the day the 2nd line opens in SC the experiance level at both sites will be about the same. And no those employee's will not be migrant workers picking cotton one day and installing Trent 1000's the next!

Boeing left for one reason......one
More money to be made elsewhere. Simple, isn't it?

Sad deal for the families who now are going to have to change a number of things. The ones who just wanted to work in exchange for a decent take home paycheck.

Unions can cause some huge self-inflicted wounds, they can also protect workers from unfair employers.

In this case, Unions lost.

...and unfair employers won. Again.

Not sure you're quite right there. The union going on strike while the Dreamliner was in production might be another reason. The strikes that have plagued the company during every CBA might be another. Our Queen of leader Ms. Gregoire walking the picket lines might be another. Our disdain for large corporations might be another.

To say we didn't lose 3800 jobs is short sighted. Had the business climate in this region been just a little more accomodating we'd have kept those jobs and possibly built on them.

As a business owner in King County I could tell you that our politicians don't give a [censored] about you or me. We get what we ask for. The tax burden will be taken up by the average citizen since they(our elected politicians) can't control their spending.