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#569031 - 01/04/10 05:18 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: boater]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
I understand that as an outsider you are trying to dictate what CCA Oregon is doing and what we do here in WA. Sounds like your not a member and that we should align behind whatever you think is right and fund that.
Well you welcome to fund your plans,initiatives and legislation.

If you ever do become a member take it up with your chapter Pres, just like you do with WSC.

Fishy
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#569036 - 01/04/10 05:26 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
boater Offline
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what part of "i want more fish for sportsman and not for the commercials" dont you understand ?

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#569041 - 01/04/10 05:29 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: boater]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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I understand that releasing more of the ESA listed fish will provide for a longer season as the FEDS won't have to close it down and what sportsman wouldn't want more fish, we just differ on how to get there.

Nice try sparky.


Fishy
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NRA Life member

The idea of a middle class life is slowly drifting away as each and every day we realize that our nation is becoming more of a corporatacracy.

I think name-calling is the right way to handle this one/Dan S

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#569048 - 01/04/10 05:39 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
boater Offline
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Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf

I understand that releasing more of the ESA listed fish will provide for a longer season as the FEDS won't have to close it down


longer season for who ?

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#569061 - 01/04/10 06:02 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
SBD Offline
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Registered: 10/19/09
Posts: 3731
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Putting some seasonal limits back in place would help, you would be surprised how many are catching a few and how few are catching many. Glad were not managing elk and deer this way.
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#569143 - 01/04/10 08:35 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: boater]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
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Correct term would be" for whom"

I'm not in the WDFW so I can't say, but neither can you.


Fishy
_________________________
NRA Life member

The idea of a middle class life is slowly drifting away as each and every day we realize that our nation is becoming more of a corporatacracy.

I think name-calling is the right way to handle this one/Dan S

We're here from the WDFW and we're here to help--Uhh Ohh!




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#569179 - 01/04/10 09:43 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
boater Offline
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Registered: 07/01/09
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Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Correct term would be" for whom"

I'm not in the WDFW so I can't say, but neither can you.


Fishy


even though it says,

The use of gear that causes little mortality would allow the harvest of more hatchery fish within the ESA impact limits and help control the number of hatchery fish that inevitably stray onto spawning grounds

in that writeup you still dont know who would get a longer season ?, i could post more write ups that say the same thing if you want.

do you know the difference between release mortality and esa take ?

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#569195 - 01/04/10 10:18 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: boater]
billjr64 Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 12/25/09
Posts: 141
Loc: SW WA.
Originally Posted By: boater
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Correct term would be" for whom"

I'm not in the WDFW so I can't say, but neither can you.


Fishy


even though it says,

The use of gear that causes little mortality would allow the harvest of more hatchery fish within the ESA impact limits and help control the number of hatchery fish that inevitably stray onto spawning grounds

in that writeup you still dont know who would get a longer season ?, i could post more write ups that say the same thing if you want.

do you know the difference between release mortality and esa take ?


They`re one and the same, if we{sports} release more wild fish then our ESA take will go up no matter how carefull we are. When wild fish are all that`s left for us what will our ESA take be? Bill

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#569251 - 01/05/10 02:35 AM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: boater]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
Originally Posted By: boater
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Correct term would be" for whom"

I'm not in the WDFW so I can't say, but neither can you.


Fishy


even though it says,

The use of gear that causes little mortality would allow the harvest of more hatchery fish within the ESA impact limits and help control the number of hatchery fish that inevitably stray onto spawning grounds

in that writeup you still dont know who would get a longer season ?, i could post more write ups that say the same thing if you want.

do you know the difference between release mortality and esa take ?


copy and paste all you want it still does not make your case.

Yes I do.

Fishy
_________________________
NRA Life member

The idea of a middle class life is slowly drifting away as each and every day we realize that our nation is becoming more of a corporatacracy.

I think name-calling is the right way to handle this one/Dan S

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#569327 - 01/05/10 03:49 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
boater Offline
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Registered: 07/01/09
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Loc: common sense ave.
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Originally Posted By: boater
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Correct term would be" for whom"

I'm not in the WDFW so I can't say, but neither can you.


Fishy


even though it says,

The use of gear that causes little mortality would allow the harvest of more hatchery fish within the ESA impact limits and help control the number of hatchery fish that inevitably stray onto spawning grounds

in that writeup you still dont know who would get a longer season ?, i could post more write ups that say the same thing if you want.

do you know the difference between release mortality and esa take ?


copy and paste all you want it still does not make your case.

Yes I do.

Fishy


well all i can say is i`m glad there are a few of us that know whats going on.

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#569362 - 01/05/10 05:39 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
OntheColumbia Offline
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Registered: 11/02/01
Posts: 247
Loc: Columbia Co. Oregon
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
I understand that releasing more of the ESA listed fish will provide for a longer season as the FEDS won't have to close it down and what sportsman wouldn't want more fish, we just differ on how to get there.


In truth, with spring chinook, which so much of this controversy revolves around, the "catch balancing" provisions with the above-Bonneville Tribes as stipulated in the current US-v-Oregon agreement will be the limiting factor. NOT the FEDS "closing it down".

Without a cap on commercial harvest, low-impact alternatives move a greater percentage of a fixed harvest amount over to the commercial side. There is no "surplus" for us to draw additional spring chinook from when we're talking about springers destined for above-Bonneville.

This initiative, as written, will not provide additional sport opportunity. Period.

I wish I were wrong, but the facts say otherwise.

Additionally, all anglers and CCA members in particular ought to be asking about those $2 Oregon license surcharges. Those surcharges now fund pro-fishing activities. What projects/programs will have to be axed if this initiative passes and those surcharges are re-directed to subsidizing the commercial gillnetters?

Like I said earlier, there are much better solutions.
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#569377 - 01/05/10 08:16 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: boater]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
Originally Posted By: boater
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Originally Posted By: boater
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Correct term would be" for whom"

I'm not in the WDFW so I can't say, but neither can you.


Fishy


even though it says,

The use of gear that causes little mortality would allow the harvest of more hatchery fish within the ESA impact limits and help control the number of hatchery fish that inevitably stray onto spawning grounds

in that writeup you still dont know who would get a longer season ?, i could post more write ups that say the same thing if you want.

do you know the difference between release mortality and esa take ?


copy and paste all you want it still does not make your case.

Yes I do.

Fishy


well all i can say is i`m glad there are a few of us that know whats going on.


your delusional,

Fishy
_________________________
NRA Life member

The idea of a middle class life is slowly drifting away as each and every day we realize that our nation is becoming more of a corporatacracy.

I think name-calling is the right way to handle this one/Dan S

We're here from the WDFW and we're here to help--Uhh Ohh!




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#569378 - 01/05/10 08:21 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!

In truth, with spring chinook, which so much of this controversy revolves around, the "catch balancing" provisions with the above-Bonneville Tribes as stipulated in the current US-v-Oregon agreement will be the limiting factor. NOT the FEDS "closing it down".

Us-v-Oregon= Feds

A modification of commercial fishing method only stipulates selective harvest, while the fish managers dictate harvester shares. Nothing is a foregone conclusion.

How's that status quo working for you?

Fishy
_________________________
NRA Life member

The idea of a middle class life is slowly drifting away as each and every day we realize that our nation is becoming more of a corporatacracy.

I think name-calling is the right way to handle this one/Dan S

We're here from the WDFW and we're here to help--Uhh Ohh!




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#569390 - 01/05/10 09:20 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
boater Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 07/01/09
Posts: 1597
Loc: common sense ave.
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf


your delusional,

Fishy


no, i`m "factual"

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#569395 - 01/05/10 09:30 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
boater Offline
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Registered: 07/01/09
Posts: 1597
Loc: common sense ave.
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf



A modification of commercial fishing method only stipulates selective harvest, while the fish managers dictate harvester shares. Nothing is a foregone conclusion.



(b) Continue to provide opportunities and resources to further develop selective commercial fishing techniques with a goal of reducing mortality of listed fish and increasing access to hatchery fish.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/policies/c3617_attch1.pdf

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#569409 - 01/05/10 09:52 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: boater]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
Neither of us is in charge of setting seasons.

Nice try again sparky,


Fishy
_________________________
NRA Life member

The idea of a middle class life is slowly drifting away as each and every day we realize that our nation is becoming more of a corporatacracy.

I think name-calling is the right way to handle this one/Dan S

We're here from the WDFW and we're here to help--Uhh Ohh!




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#569438 - 01/05/10 10:49 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: ]
boater Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 07/01/09
Posts: 1597
Loc: common sense ave.
Originally Posted By: AuntyM
Fishy, he forgets that the department is REQUIRED to provide a "viable" sport fishery.


care to post that rcw ?

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#569456 - 01/05/10 11:35 PM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: boater]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
I think that I will just agree to disagree, cause other things are getting in the way of this pointless conversation with you, like life.


Adieu,


Fishy
_________________________
NRA Life member

The idea of a middle class life is slowly drifting away as each and every day we realize that our nation is becoming more of a corporatacracy.

I think name-calling is the right way to handle this one/Dan S

We're here from the WDFW and we're here to help--Uhh Ohh!




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#569509 - 01/06/10 03:59 AM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: boater]
NanookWillie Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 04/15/09
Posts: 101
Loc: God's Country Oregon
grin Boater - you sure you ain't "pokermonkey" in disguise? shocked

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#569533 - 01/06/10 11:10 AM Re: Gill-net salmon fishing ban on ballot? [Re: ]
SBD Offline
clown flocker

Registered: 10/19/09
Posts: 3731
Loc: Water
Just wait intill the tribe's are having there ceremonial fishing out of Cathlamet and take to much, shutting down the sports fishery above them. But what's a Columbia salmon season without someone bellyaching about getting screwed, it's been going on for a 120 years.
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