So you know the gill netters position and how they would debate?

Answers lots of questions.

Fishy

First time you ever said, the ESA mortality is understated. That only strengthens our argument. Doesnt matter who you think will win the debate. So far, in 15 other states, the results indicate you are wrong.

And yet you boldly bash the one organization that has the last best hope of eliminating said nets?

I see... it all makes SO much more sense now.

So , Sthdr1 It's my turn to ask you what cult or cult leader have you been following? Are you sure they are doing the job for you that you want? If not I invite you to be a member of the CCA and try to get rid of those nasty gillnets.

Lucky Louie

He told me in another forum, he is already a cca members. He didnt join, so I have to assume, someone signed him up to torture him.

It wont matter. For every H, there will be someone who complains about something.

bash me all you want i realy dont care but you make it seem like your going to some picnic and the gillnetters are just going to fall over and blow away.

I'm sure CCA will get the job done you've all followed them to do.... As you all know, it's beyond an uphill battle....

But 5-10 years from now what happens when there's no positive change in wild fish #'s?

Who's CCA going to blame next? Or, let me rephrase that, what will they target next?

Keith

and it sounds like you have invited them to stay at the pick nick for as long as they want.

Fishy

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I'm sure CCA will get the job done you've all followed them to do.... As you all know, it's beyond an uphill battle....

But 5-10 years from now what happens when there's no positive change in wild fish #'s?

Who's CCA going to blame next? Or, let me rephrase that, what will they target next?

Keith[/quote]

Your assuming that this is the last battle. CCA has just began in the PNW and who says that we won't work with other groups around WA, OR, and ID that can make a positive effect on the environment and fish in general.

I'm not saying it can't be done.... It's just odd that over the last 100 years we can't seem to turn that page..... Get where I'm going yet?

Keith

We're in the same boat and sometimes it looks like it is going to sink, but I think that there is light at the end of the tunnel after the 100 year reign of commercial interest in the PNW and you're right it isn't going to be easy. I appreciate all that has been done prior by others or there probably wouldn't be a discussion going on here right now.

na, i`d like to see them gone and have full sport seasons with good fishing unlike you who wants worse sportfishing with less fish.

Good comments, Doc. This is as accurate as I have seen.

I have lived, and fished, in The Gulf before and during the initial CCA efforts to limit commercial non selective fishing.
Before CCA: stressed fisheries, bad fishing, everybody fighting for an allocation. Very ugly. -3
After CCA: improved (but still stressed fisheries), markedly improved fishing, improved and not perfect regulations. Lots more progress than fragmented sports fisheries. +4

I understand both "sides" of the discussion and think we are at a tipping point. I send, with deep and best regards, Thanks!, to the many groups and individuals who have gone before but think it is time to go to the next step. Just my thoughts, and not hasty thoughts. And I am about to send another order to rvrfshr.

Lets continue to really look at what is going on. Good, and uncomfortable, conversation.

Can't see that far into the future, but my wish before my dying day is that the issue of outside mixed-stock harvest gets a SERIOUS challenge from a credible group. CCA represents the catalyst that could one day make our bass-ackward harvest infrastructure on the West Coast a thing of the past.

My hope is that we don't wait until the point of utter collapse to finally see the error of our ways before curtailing exploitation of mixed salmon stocks in the rich feeding grounds off northern BC and SE-AK.

When Atlantic salmon stocks collapsed, a huge effort was made to better understand their life history. Researchers discovered that the great salar mixing bowl where most of the stocks converged to forage was off West Greenland. Once that critical discovery was made, fishing off West Greenland was drastically curtailed in an attempt to better conserve mixed stocks fattening up in their ocean nursery. Today West Greenland is managed as a sanctuary of sorts and accounts for less than 1-2% of the total exploitation on Atlantic salmon stocks. See the graph below to see the rape of this resource and the results of voluntary restraint.



Imagine the chinook run-sizes we would be enjoying in the PNW if BC and AK would just lay off our fish. We've invested billions in salmon recovery with little fruit for our efforts... the lions share of the benefits fall on our neighbors to the north.

Imagine the full diversity of chinook life histories once again being expressed in robust populations of returning adults..... 4-, 5-, and even 6-ocean kings making their way back home instead of being plucked off by some troller as an immature feeder fish. Imagine catching a REAL June hog out of the CR.... or a mythical 100 Elwha native. It can be made to happen, but only if we have the resolve to make it so.

Now we're talking some common sense................. Bingo.......

Keith

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Boater, you have said on many occassion that you are totally against gillnets but you never have given a solution to the problem while still defending gillnets.

1) because of conflict of interest?
2) and what would those interests be?
3) who do you represent?
4)or/ and what organization do you belong to?

Would probably go along ways to explain the predicament you are in when it comes to gillnets.[/quote]

Like usual I'm giving you a get free out of jail card. Maybe next time you'll answer the questions. Oh, thats your line, sorry.
I'm out of here.

ban them so we can have full sport seasons.

Keith, There is no waiting. I dont know what they/we will take on next.

One thing that you have alluded to, before. No one I know, believes that changing to selective harvest will completely solve the problem. We have multiple water sheds and multiple problems.

Getting the tribes on board could make a big difference. They are part of the solution. They have taken on projects and the state. Im not surprised that some of them dont have a positive view of anglers or the commission, considering the past. We must find common goals.

Stick to the facts like below not internet friction fiction.

WDFW has to provide a commercial opportunity, you should know this for all of your blather about prove this and prove that. I wish I could cash checks like Warren Buffet but won't hold my breath til it happens.

I think your here just to stir the pot and keep jabbing like a school yard kid.


Fishy