Now your just grasping at straws and hoping someone will say something that will appease your twisting of the words opinion.

I will say this, without hatcheries there would be no opportunity for sports fishers as the commercials would be a HUGE impact on the wild fish because WDFW "HAS TO BY LAW" Provide a commercial opportunity, except possibly C&R on wild fish, something you preach about for the OP rivers as it pertains to a single person but not for GILL NETS on the Columbia. How the hell do you justify that?

And that's exactly why I support removing all commercial harvest from the mainstem of the LCR an shifting the 2% mortality allotment to the sport fleet.
By moving the commercials into the SAFE Areas we still have commercial harvest for public consumption and sport opportunity goes up dramatically.

I feel there`s a big difference between "opportunity to fish" and "opportunity to harvest a keeper". Hell we could be out there right now enjoying our "opportunity" to fish for spring chinook, might as well troll clones for tuna in the LCR and call it an "opportunity" too. I can`t believe people think that increasing the commercial catch will have positive results for sports.Bill

Why not ask the commercials to stand on the bank and throw sticks at the passing fish too?

What makes you think that the commercials would approve your "Plan" knowing that they would have less opportunity, less harvest and the same costs?

Bill,

Fishy just boiled it down.

Larger quantities of hatchery fish, will be tougher to manage, but if wild recovery begins... the state will have to manage the ratio and the harvest, to achieve the state goal.

If they look at areas, not in the columbia watershed, it might help with increase harvest, to cover increase expenses.

Dont let Freespool muddy this up. He cannot make the case for safe area. On one of the articles, they tried to make the case, that the commercials PAID for the fish in the safe areas.
If thats the case, thats all you get.....

i think it`s a new bread of sportfishers, in my 40 plus years of salmon fishing ive always tried to fish places where i knew there would be alot of fish but apparently the new way to think is to fish places where there are less fish, what can you say other than good luck with that.

"That is straight from that article, if there are less hatchery fish on the spawning beds then the hatcheries could produce more fish without impacting the ESA listed fish, thereby giving more opportunity to all user groups."

Do you really think that after changing to more selective commercial gear
with the goal, at least in part, to reduce the amount of hatchery fish spawning naturally that they are then going to start producing more hatchery fish to get past the nets for the sport fisheries? Dream on....

selective safe areas would still increase the commercial harvest allocation based on the argument that freespool and boater use.

How can he justify safe area allocation increases?


well, off to promote 2266

taverns open at noon ?

If you don't like it, call the cops

Well I guess all intelligent conversation has come to an end here.


Fishy

it was a joke, but, the effects that commercials will have on sportfishing when they start taking more fish isn't a joke.

At least with the hatcheries we have sport fishing.

Fishy

Well, then go for it. You know where Olympia is. You better get a move on because Jan 11, 2010 opens the legislative season this year.

Boater, Billjr64, and Keta, You don't like the idea of seines,so that leaves you with status quo gill nets or helping freespool out with his proposal or change legislation regarding commercial status. What is your pick? Or other plan you can propose to the legislature this year?

i could handle the seines if there was some writting that says the commercials cant get more fish than they do now, unlike you i think the commercials get enough fish.

Did you get a bag of coal for christmas?

louie, Freespool is a gillnetter from Oregon.

i actualy wish i held a columbia river gillnet permit, i`d have a ton of sportfishers and a game department wanting me to catch more fish and make more money and even fund new gear for me, that would be great.

Ok, but I'll have to use a fresh coaster.

[QUOTE=pokermonkey;2903736]Do some research on Oregon's Young's Bay terminal fishery. Enlightening. But of course, this has also been left out of the hype.

I am familiar with this fishery, it`s subsidized by hatcheries that should be producing smolts for sports in my opinion. Lots of people claim that the tribes are lazy fishermen and only take, take, take. Yet I see them running their own hatcheries and doing VERY well with them. Sports get a good share of the fish returning to them{or would if they`d fin clip them}. The same would be true if several hatcheries were run for commercial purposes. If the monies were spent on these "commercial" hatcheries that is planned for "retooling" the commercials I wonder what that would get us{sports}? Bill

Louie i`ve been typing quite a bit tonight so I copied and pasted this. I`m not the one to make a proposal to Olympia as I work for a living and really don`t have the time to do a project like that. I`d just like for the folks that are gung ho for this to see another side. NO it`s not working and doubt that it will but I can only keep bringing up my side as I am the only one in this for ME. Ban ALL commercial harvest on the LCR is my banner and that`s where I stand. Bill