So I guess, KK, you are admitting you vote for your economic interests over your moral beliefs?

Statistics are easy to distort and rarely show the real truth. I had a call once from a national survey company that asked questions that were so skewed I refused to answer any of them. Got one for the Republican Party that asked questions like, "Do you support the democrats attempts to squelch the patriot act and allow terrorists to freely act in the United States? " If you don't know the methods and exact questions and other parimeters of how statistics are gathered, they are useless.

Real life experience tells me that every low income person I have met has voted democratic, unless they have strong religious beliefs. Maybe thats why you liberals hate religion so much. If you could get rid of it, every poor person would fall right in line to be controlled.

To think that the republicans alone use scare tacticist is a joke. Every time an election comes up I have to listen to my mother-in-law
rant and rave about how how the republicans will cut her social security and toss her out on the street. She would vote for satan rather than one of those republicans who will take everything she so desparately needs the government to give her. If you could get the rest of the poor people to stop having religious beliefs, the democrats would rule absolutely.
Wow, kind of sounds like what China and Russia aimed for. Make the government God, make everyone reliant on them.

The poor folks in red states don't need to lose their religion...they just need to graduate from high school, and they'll likely vote for Democrats...

Fish on...

Todd

+1, and add to that we are allowing more foreign workers than ever within our borders on work visa's. Workers from foreign countries taking jobs that many americans would love to have during these times.
It may not hurt as much if they became somewhat normal consumers within our society, but they dont come close to reaching this status.
I work within a company where I observe hoards of these types of workers who barely contribute to our economy, because they remit all of their earnings to their families back home, and pack 8-10 people into a two bedroom apartment while they are here for a year contract.

It's a lose-lose for America.

SkyGuy, there's a certain telecommunications company out there that is one of the MOST egregious off all the big conglomerates in the entire country at evading tax dollars and sucking off the gubmint teat, not to mention very shady fraudulent balance sheets and earnings reports...

Very bad.

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Todd

Here ya go.

Jobs in Iraq

KK,
If you think I swallow the Republican lies, you are very mistaken. I hope half of what you spewed today is trolling, otherwise I really question your intelligence.

Todd,
I think the red states voting records have to do with a wide range of factors. Race, voting accessibility, religious beliefs, income, family status, and education are all factors that must be accounted for.

Seattle for example, votes highly liberal. My guess though is that if you took only married families with children, the numbers would be much different than the city in whole.

Perhaps looking at income for voting preferance is not nearly as important as looking at disposable income. Single people earning $120,000 will vote completely different than a married couples with 5 kids earning $120,000. A dual working couple with no children that have the same household income, will also, most likely, have other political leanings.

I bet you the single population of San Fransico votes entirely different than the married population. I wonder what that means?

So much of statistical findings can be changed by accounting for different factors. I hate these debates because in the end I think you all come out sounding like idiots, regardless of what side you are arguing.

If you want, I will create the parimeters of a innocuous sounding survey that will swing the political preference of King County more conservative or liberal. I can't say how much, but I can guarentee I could do it by 3 points or more without anyone being able to see. In some cases I probably could get a 10% or more swing. Quick examples only survey on Sundays between 9:30 am and 1:30. Bet is a lot different than if you survey the same number of households on Monday at the same time period, or perhaps on Friday nights. Wonder how much it would change if I also was able to use cell phone numbers during the same time periods. Who is going to stop on the street if I use good looking, professional 25 to 40 year old men and women compared to poorly dressed, over weight 35 to 65 year old women. What if I have the surveyors drag along their children or set up next in pikes place VS first ave vs on busses during rush hour.

once again partisan politics seems to exist for one purpose nowadays, to divide the public into a never ending disagreement.

I would love to see a discussion that wasn't blues pointing at the reds and vise versa.

subverting the intent of partisan politics and addressing candidates and issues on their merit alone we act as a republic and not a democracy as was the intent of our forefathers.

When we argue among ourselves as to what side is better we do ourselves (as the general public) a disservice.

I think that most people are generally fiscally conservative and socially liberal (to varying degrees of course) but partisan politics play against that by not allowing one without the other.

While we the people draw lines in the sand based on gays in the military and "in god we trust", the real agenda continues to roll on without significant challenge.

What would really turn things in this country around is what the existing government fears the most, nonpartisan unity of the people.

Well, yeah. That's a given.

Bigtime +1.

I wonder if it would be possible to have a thread where both sides spent as much energy trying to figure out the issues they could agree on, or atleast agree to compromise on, instead of the all too common forum status quo.

Don't get me wrong though, I love trying to get my innermet caps in as much as the next guy. So with that being said, all this chit is Bush's fault.

Nah, it was Woodrow Wilson

Considering the long-term fallout of The Versailles Treaty, I'd have to say you're right.

and the federal reserve

“I have said it already, I am convinced that the way to build a new and better world is not capitalism. Capitalism leads us straight to hell.”
Hugo Chavez quote

(wonders where all those RVRFSHR spoons and worms are made...)

Minnesota...which, I think you already knew

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Not kidding.

...but I'm not even talking about outsourcing work overseas...I'm talking about expatriating your company overseas to avoid paying any taxes on your income, a different issue altogether.

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Todd

Zing! Take that, mick!

Ahhh straight from the DailyKos I see. That would be my first choice for polling information about Republicans too KK.

I agree...we should poll RWWJ's who think Glen Beck is a viable senatorial candidate and love watching FauxNews, and then the numbers would be...

Percent of Whack Jobs who think Obama should be impeached: 82%

Percent of Whack Jobs who think he was not born in the US: 86%

Percent of Whack Jobs who think Obama's a racist: 92%

Percent of Whack Jobs who think Obama is a socialist: 99.8%

Not to mention...

Percent of Whack Jobs who think Saddam Hussein persnally flew a plane into the WTC: 75%

Percent of Whack Jobs who think we should "not really worry about" finding OBL: 88%

Percent of Whack Jobs who think "trickle down ecomonics" actually trickles down: 89%

This could go on longer than I'm able to type...

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Todd

Nah, I forgot. I had in my mind it was the West Indies, I'm just confused.

Apologies.