First she says we should stop getting so concerned about politically correct speech, and then she attacks Rahm Emanuel for using the word “retard” in a private conversation. Now her buddy Rush says there's no problem calling a retard a retard. Soooo, if she thinks Emanuel should be fired for using the word in private, shouldn't she be calling for Rush and Glen Beck to be fired for using the word on air? Or was she right in the frist place when she said we are too worried about political correctness?

I think this may be the new logo for the teabaggers, that Sarah wants to lead.

Leads right back to the question "WHat is the difference between Sarah Palins' mouth and her vagina?". . . . . . .. . . . .

Best joke of 2007.

I dunno, but I'd bet she could bitch-slap Bill Crystal and make him cry for his mommy. That quaking sniveler irritates me.
I don't know why I thought of that, prolly my Palin dominatrix fantasy kickin' in

Only some of the things that come out of her vagina are retarded. . . . . .

Me too. The bad boy student and the mute librarian.

Yeah, that voice makes the "tower of power" just plain crash to the ground.

Having spent many years working with and helping handicapped children and adults, that remark is tragically too typical here. Kind of surprises me that Vedder stooped down in the mud to start it off. I expect nothing less from others here but not Dave.

Grizz:

My point was, and is, that Sarah is a huge hypocrite. Had nothing to do with kids/adults that are retarded. Yeah, I know we can't use that word. But I don't know why the hell not.
My wife’s brother has been in state care since a few weeks after birth. He was born retarded. He will never be able to live independently and that’s a tragedy. More the tragedy that with what we know now there were far better ways to care for him.
We do visit him, no doubt not as often as we should. We do provide for him to have the CD players and other luxuries the state can’t afford, because this state so dramatically underfunds the care for our most vulnerable. And perhaps because of my wife’s brother we do give generously to organizations that help the retarded. But changing the word we label them with will not help him. Retarded is what the doctors, and everyone else called him. Now somehow it’s an insult. I don’t think any label is an insult unless the one uttering the word thinks it is.
We can change the label and no doubt whatever new label we find will one day become a pejorative. At one time “colored" was considered a polite term. In Cuba a black person is often affectionately called Negrito, a term that has no negative connotations, and so it goes . . .
I do regret that this thread has denigrated into a crude slogans, but that seems to be a common thing here on the dark side.

No offense intended, the truth is the truth however. I am not going to be forced into the latest PC cube, so you can just tell me to STFU and I will be on my way with no feathers ruffled.

Dave's explanation makes sense but this one is truly lame. And,as Dave pointed out, to be expected here. Using the term "retarded" is pretty normal but using it loosely in a denegrating fashion is not.

My wife works with handicapped people and that entire workforce and culture has a very bad time with the word retarded. It took me a long while to convince her and some of her co-workers that the word just means slowed and nothing else. If you call someone a retard, then you being duragatory. Saying something is retarded is technically saying it is slowed. Most folks dont use or understand the word in its true context and percieve its something against handicap people. So, I'm guessing Sarah is caught up in this culture and by her stature and circumstances was probably expected to say something.

I was at a presentation once about being sensitive to minorities and people with disabilities. The presenter told us something that blew my mind. He told us that the word handicaped was wideley accepted as OK but in truth its highly duragatory. He told us that the term developed in the early 1900's. He said that disabled folks did not have the services available to them like they have now days and to get money they would peddle for money on the sidewalk. They collected the money in hats and somehow the phrase "handy cap" was used to describe them. Its now in the form of handicap. Not sure if the guy was FOS but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't lie in front of a crowd like that.

So is saying that only some of the things that come out of her vagina are "special needs" better, or should I use "mentally challenged", or would it be more acceptable to just say "fukked up". .. .. . Where is the line ? ?? Or is it just the joke (yeah it is a bad one and by some in poor taste and I still say true) in general that you have an issue with?

The guy was FOS according to snopes.com

http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/handicap.asp

Gotta love Snopes. It sure debunks a ton of crap.

Sarah Palin's child has Down Syndrome...Used to call them Mongoloids..I guess you could use that term if you want more ammo to slam Palin with because she chose to have a child she knew would be born with that disorder. Pretty pathetic

I don't think the point of this thread is to debate whether or not using the word "retarded" or "mongoloid" is ok or not...I think the point is that it's typically hypocritical to complain about everyone making her be "politically correct" when she doesn't feel she should have to be, and then her complaining when others aren't politically correct enough in her estimation.

I doubt she even understands the word "irony" enough to have an actual conversation about the topic.

Sara Palin..."Going Typical, Again".

Fish on...

Todd

The language has always been in a state of flux.....I can actually remember when gay meant happy.
I am certain that no one here knowingly wanted to insult a mentally challenged child or his/her family.

BTW, I find these two remarks to be denigrating and unnecessary to make your point.

If you don't like the dark side (it's called that for a reason), read the Olympian.

This should settle the question:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-sirucek/did-palin-use-crib-notes_b_452458.html

is this a retorical question?

In the previous study session she must have learned about the difference between a budget cut and a tax cut.
Nothin' wrong with that.
OTH, she does have attractive, womanly hands.

Pretty amazing that we are now 15 months past the election where she was a V.P. nominee and some people are still so threatened by her that they continue to level personal attacks against her because they don't agree with her opinions/politics. Actually, I don't think amazing is the right word ...... pathetic might be a bit more appropriate.

She's in the "system" now, making money doing speaking engagements, books, appearances etc.
It is OK and normal to comment on these public activities, statements.
I think many of the "personal attacks" are perceived and used to create controversy on both sides.

umrules, you hit the nail on the head, I couldn't agree more. Sarah Palin is absolutely pathetic

Language is a tool just like a hammer, saw, or a gun.

It is the person using the tool that makes it good or bad.

People get so caught up in the busy bee efforts to make themselves feel like they are doing something to enhance dignity they go for the low hanging fruit like the tools used as opposed to the person as intent is a finger no one has the balls to point.

She's also a tax cheat...remember all of the flack about tax cheats?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akmuckraker/sarah-palin---tax-cheat-c_b_448137.html

Still can't get over how she has an accent from an area she's never lived but the rest of her family does not. Seems to be a female version of GW a complete fake and moron.

Usually vote R, but not always. Just don't think she is the best person for the job. There has to be a better choice out there than a quitter. She would get my vote for head librarian, though.

I think that Sarah, Newt, Trent and DeLay should do a tour together.
Like rock stars, conquering the nation.
el Rushbo could be the MC.
You heard it here first.

Is her mouth good for anything else?

yes, putting her foot in.

LOL

While I really don't want Sarah Palin as my president, what we have here is another typical circle jerk.

Looks like you learned how to drive a boat?!?!?!

I've been to Drano before...

Palin says she might run in 2012
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/1467826.html
This ran in the Columbian today.
I couldn't help but think of W when I read it.

yawn Boring

I, for one, hope she does run...and picks Bachmann as a running mate.

Fish on...

Todd

"While I really don't want Sarah Palin as my president, what we have here is another typical circle jerk. "

Didn't you mean circle hook jerk? Let em nibble then JERK! Got another bottom feeder.

I dont think anyone is saying Palin is the first or only of anything.

There is fun to be had with many politicians, but Palin is to political folly what Jordan was to basketball.

Yeah, he's a knucklehead, but his damage was within his family.
Palin's potential damage could be nationwide.

Don't forget Tina.
I can't wait for the new material

Gotta admit, the cheat notes on the hand was pretty funny ...........



almost as funny as needing a tele-prompter to talk to some elementary students!!

I was really, really shocked by those notes. I thought they'd say:

Breethe in.
Breethe out, but not thru mowth.

You betcha you can doo it!

Breeth in.
Breeth out, but not thru mowth.

Top two for nomination? What?

I already got my 2012 ballot from the Acorn people. I wrote in Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin. Does it matter which is for president?

It probably doesn't mater a whole lot, because if year one is any indication, Barry isn't going to have a snowballs chance in hell at re-election, regardless who runs against him. Jimmy Carter ..... ring any bells???

Yep, you're right. That rings a lot of bells. Carter's predecessor got us into two wars, ran up incredible deficits, and left with absolutely no plan to pay for what he started.

Now that I think about it, it's exactly the same situation Clinton left Bush in, you know with no wars and a surplus and... uh, hmmm...

If this was Iran we'd all be swingin' by now.
A little (friendly) bickerin' ain't so bad.

From you? Probably not.

I doubt you could even draw a straight line to correctly mark your ballot....if you could I've no doubt you'd do it with crayon.

Wow Wal1ter, You really need to do some home work.Bill Clinton didn't balance the budget. Yes, he was there when it happened. But the record shows that was about the extent of his contribution. The year of the giant Clinton tax hike -- was not the turning point in the deficit wars, either. In fact, in 1995, two years after that tax hike, the budget baseline submitted by the president's own Office of Management and Budget and the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted $200 billion deficits for as far as the eye could see. The figure shows the Clinton deficit baseline. What changed this bleak outlook? Newt Gingrich and company -- for all their faults -- have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. THe surplus was, a byproduct of the GOP's single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink. Arguably, Gingrich's finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years. Recall that it was the Clinton White House that fought Republicans every inch of the way in balancing the budget in 1995. When Republicans proposed their own balanced-budget plan, the White House waged a shameless Mediscare campaign to torpedo the plan -- a campaign that the Washington Post slammed as "pure demagoguery." It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly matched the GOP's balanced-budget plan. In fact, during the height of the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration admitted that "balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities."

And if Bill Clinton didn't get us into "wars", okay we didn't call them wars, they were "conflicts", explain this ........ U.S. Military Deaths by year:
1980 ......... 2,392
>> 1981 ......... 2,380
>> 1984 ......... 1,999
>> 1988 ......... 1,819
>> 1989 ......... 1,636
>> 1990 ......... 1,508
>> 1991 ......... 1,787
>> 1992 ......... 1,293 ---------------------------
>> 1993 ......... 1,213
>> 1994 ......... 1,075
>> 1995 ......... 2,465
>> 1996 ......... 2,318 Clinton years @13,417 deaths
>> 1997 ......... 817
>> 1998 ......... 2,252
>> 1999 ......... 1,984 ---------------------------
>> 2000 ......... 1,983
>> 2001 ......... 890
>> 2002 ......... 1,007 7 BUSH years @9,016 deaths
>> 2003 ......... 1,410
>> 2004 ......... 1,887
>> 2005 ......... 919
>> 2006 ......... 920 ---------------------------



Uh, hmmm....

THanks KK, that shows the point exactly! The big drops in deficit spending started in '95 with the GOP controlled house and Senate, the "Contract With America".

So it was the Democrats who balanced the budget and the GOP that ran up massive debt, or was it the GOP who balanced the budget and the Democrats who ran up massive debt?



Face it, 98% of you voted for President based on the D or the R next to the guy's name. Otherwise, you have jumped on the bandwagon with me and Andy and voted for Ron Paul. A little kooky, maybe, but the only one who wasn't a "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" kind of guy. I mostly blame the GOP for not making RP the nominee, and instead going with McCain, who I actually find to be as decent a man as you can be in Congress, and Sarah Palin, who couldn't find her own ass with two hands and a flashlight. The Palin VP choice was so preposterous that it scrubbed any chance of me voting for the GOP ticket.

And then there's Obama. Straight outta Chicago, where politicians tend to be as crooked as a dog's hind leg. A meteoric rise, with little track record to back it up. The VP choice was head and shoulders better than the opposition's choice, but still nothing to get excited about. But I didn't vote for Obama, because I felt that as the DNC poster child, he'd come in and pander to the left side of the party, who have always bugged me as a guy who mostly votes Democrat, but owns guns and likes to kill sh!t, and have people leave me the hell alone about what I eat/drink/smoke/shoot/wear/listen to. The Tipper Gores and Nancy Pelosis of the party rub me wrong.

So that's why I voted for RP. Me and 172 others nationwide.

And here we sit wondering why nothing's changed. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

Nice!....almost makes too much sense.

Phuckin' makin' me feel bad for not voting for RP...I wanted him but didn't want to be number 173......that's my unlucky number...always has been since January of '73.wink

....at this hour?....you should have your plants on a switch for 12 on 12 off........

"Wow Wal1ter, You really need to do some home work.Bill Clinton didn't balance the budget. Yes, he was there when it happened."

So let's apply the "there when it happened" reasoning To George Bush. Only the greatest loss of life to foreign attack, ever, on U.S. soil and the largest economic disaster since the Great Depression.

But hey,he was only "there when it happened." Not like that matters or anything.

"the GOP's single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink" Where exactly, is that evident from 2001 to 2009? I sure as hell couldn't find it. It looks more like, under Bush, they spent like drunken sailors in a foreign port.

Here's a simpler explanation of how things may unfold:

Intelligent people will assess their options and vote accordingly.

Count me on Hankster's side on this - well, sort of. I think the facts are Bush DID spend like a drunken sailor. The facts are Obama has done so to date. Now as to the why. Bush spent like crazy to fund a completely dishonest and unnecessary war. Obama is spending like a drunken sailor on speed, in part to wrap up that unnecessary war, in part to stop the complete fiscal meltdown Bush left us with and in part because he likes to spend. Both were bad for us. Obama’s will be worse, IF he can’t put the brakes on. He’s talking about doing it but we all know ever voter has his or her pet projects they dont want cut. It’s going to be tough to bring the deficit down, especially with aging baby boomers wanting their Medicare and Social Security, Iraq and Afghan vets needing care and Vietnam vets aging and needing more care. But IMHO we MUST rein in the spending. I'm not optimistic.

Hankster, according to your stats Bush increased debt. Do you have any stats to show he increased debt in some sustainable manner? It appears he increasede debt unsustainably.

And, according to what you posted, "Congressional Budget Office estimated that public debt will rise." under OBama.

I'm guessing that every single year of Bush's administration the Congressional Budget Office estimated the same exact thing.

How, exactly, is Obama different?

I'm actually sorta looking forward to the stupid looks on Baby Boomer's faces when they finally realize they've squandered their retirements on a lifetime of voting for taxcuts and dikhead politicians just so they could buy H2's on credit and other cheap selfish greedy avarice.

Come on now Hankster. To be fair, I saw no evidence that the Rs did anything to keep SS funds for our retirement. The following took all of 10 seconds to round up. Let's be fair, neither party has shown actual fiscal restraint for many years.

Bush stated in his radio address to the nation on February 3, 2001, "My plan will keep all Social Security money in the Social Security system where it belongs." And, in his February 27, 2001 State of the Union address, Bush said, "To make sure the retirement savings of America's seniors are not diverted in any other program, my budget protects all $2.6 trillion of the Social Security surplus for Social Security, and for Social Security alone."

"Despite these promises, President Bush has been raiding the trust fund since he took office," Smith said, "and he no longer tries to conceal what he has done. In an effort to muster support for his privatization proposal, he has been openly admitting to the raiding of the fund."

Smith said that President Bush first publicly acknowledged misusing Social Security money in a Washington speech on February 9, 2005, in which he said, "The money-payroll taxes going into the Social Security are spent. They're spent on benefits and they're spent on government programs. There is no trust."


You might also note that the federal employees retirement system is non funded. Meaning the payments are made from current funds; no reserve, no investments, nada.

Our country is in serious financial trouble. It was NOT cuased by Obama, but he certainly has done nothing to improve the situation. I fear that no politician can hold office long if they take the steps we need to regain financial solvency. Everyone wants "their" benefits. no one want to make any sacrafices.

Raiding SS traces back to Ronald Reagan.

Some interesting reading here of Warren Buffett interviewing Henry Paulson (there's more lengthy discussion elsewhere on the net).

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2011027585_buffettpaulson10.html

"taxpayers will recover every cent paid out to banks during the economic meltdown and may even turn a profit."

"And he said the United States is better off today than most countries."
"Every other major economy has many more significant challenges than we do"

To me this last one is key. This may bode very well for the US Dollar.

They are all idiots, a red idiot or a blue idiot is still an idiot.

it is not a liberal / conservative thing, these are the falsities they sell you to keep you defending those that can give a flying .... if you live or die. While you are falling on your sword for a party, they are taking you to the bank.

Start looking past whatever sworn oath you took to one political party or the other and start looking for the best person for the job.

Or pick what color Kool Aide you prefer and drink it down.

just wanted to get this thread back on track

that is obviously not Palin's hand since i doubt she knows the difference between "you're" and "your"

i just hope Parker comes through with pictures of the ten pound rainbow reproduction - i wonder if he could post a picture of the original fish sometime?

My asshat politician isn’t as bad as your asshat politician...